Best time for coyote calls???

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I`ve been using open mouth rabbit distress calls, an e-caller and I just bought a open reed howler.
Yesterday I called a coyote in. He stayed about 7-800 yards out and wouldn`t move any closer. I was down wind from him. He moved atop a hill and I could see through my optics that he was barking and little howls. Since he wouldn`t move any closer with the rabbit call and rodent sqeeks, I thought "what the heck" and grabbed the howler. I let out a couple yips a few times, then a couple yips followed by a short howl and a couple yips. He proceeded to leave and never looked back. AGGRAVATING!!!!!
How does a guy distinguish whether its a female or male at that distance and what barks they have? I hate spending a long time to get one in and then screw up with a call just to see them take off.
 
darcy32171 said:
I`ve been using open mouth rabbit distress calls, an e-caller and I just bought a open reed howler.
Yesterday I called a coyote in. He stayed about 7-800 yards out and wouldn`t move any closer. I was down wind from him. He moved atop a hill and I could see through my optics that he was barking and little howls. Since he wouldn`t move any closer with the rabbit call and rodent sqeeks, I thought "what the heck" and grabbed the howler. I let out a couple yips a few times, then a couple yips followed by a short howl and a couple yips. He proceeded to leave and never looked back. AGGRAVATING!!!!!
How does a guy distinguish whether its a female or male at that distance and what barks they have? I hate spending a long time to get one in and then screw up with a call just to see them take off.
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It's called hunting for a reason. Why does the male/female thing matter to you? If I needed to know that before I shot, well ..... If you hate spending time and not getting one, you better give up the sport. It will happen lots.

I don't know where you are, but right now, in most of Sask. the winter has been so "nice" that coyotes are being very "casual" about their reactions to calls around here. There is no urgency in their response at all, and long range hang ups are very common. My theory is that they are already reasonably well fed, and in the "heat" they really don't want to travel very far very fast. I think barking on the way in is a very bad omen, and means the dog is not really interested, or may in fact have you made already.

If you really can't speak coyote, don't use a howler. It is very easy to say the wrong thing.

Persistence, stealth, proper set up, uneducated animals, patience, and more patience are essential for success. Did I mention you need patience? Becoming aggravated by a failure is an indication to me you need to work on your whole approach, including attitude, to calling coyotes if you want to have more success.

You have to enjoy hunting coyotes, whether or not you get one, if you want to be successful.
 
If he stops long ways away and is doing the bark bark short howl thingy. Your gig is up, he knows your there and letting all his buddies know about you. Its better not to make a sound and just get up and leave when that happens.
 
had something very similar happen to me and a friend, dog stopped 900 yards out, would come no closer with screaming rabbit.

we went away, tried a new stand with no luck, came back about an hour later, moved about 400 yards closer to where we last saw him, tried pup distress he came right in, within ten minutes.

too much noise/too many variations in one set will spook them.
 
na1lb0hm said:
forgive my noob-i-ness...
what's this mean? haha
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Sorry, my bad...20 ft. above and 10 ft into the wind @ about 750 yds. if using a .223 50 gr. if sighted in at 200. My guesstimation.

And I meant 50 rather than 55 as I think Federal makes the 55gr not Hornady
 
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Well ..... I would suggest that if your best "guessimation" at a hold is 20ft over and 10ft into the wind, you would be a fool to shoot at all.
 
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skypilot said:
Sorry, my bad...20 ft. above and 10 ft into the wind @ about 750 yds. if using a .223 50 gr. if sighted in at 200. My guesstimation.

And I meant 50 rather than 55 as I think Federal makes the 55gr not Hornady
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I'm with you na1lb0hm I didn't know either ....know I'm a little more educated.
 
its been my experience late afternoon (1430-1630)was the most productive time to hunt, i switch it up between 3-4 different hunting locals randomly) keep my 40gr .223 hornady vmax zeroed at 200 yds, and switch between an e-caller and a rabbit decoy. but with the ecaller i find if get made on a specific type of call i'll get no response for that call again in that area.
 
I found that over the last few weeks of hunting that the morning was the best time fpr me. I hunted both morning and afternoons every day. I would however get responds in the afternoon but they seem to hold back. The calls here are a little confusing as I have had better luck with Jack calls and the population of jacks in the area is near gone. The cottontail calls just don't seem to be doing it. Also I have been using like a howl after the first distress call and only use it a couple or 3 times and switch back to the jack...
 
Adrian J Hare said:
I found that over the last few weeks of hunting that the morning was the best time fpr me. I hunted both morning and afternoons every day. I would however get responds in the afternoon but they seem to hold back. The calls here are a little confusing as I have had better luck with Jack calls and the population of jacks in the area is near gone. The cottontail calls just don't seem to be doing it. Also I have been using like a howl after the first distress call and only use it a couple or 3 times and switch back to the jack...
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Only hunters know the difference between a jack, cottontail or snowshoe... as far as the coyotes are concerned they are all generally something to eat... where we hunt we prefer jack calls too and there are NO jacks and never have been... it is probaly a pitch thing as far as them hearing and responding to it. I also believe that the yotes mood and how lively the squalling critter sounds will determine if they bother to chase it... wild creatures know if they are going to burn more calories chasing something than they will get from eating it... if it seems like an EASY meal, they will go for it, as long as your set up is good and they don't bust you.
 
rral22 said:
Well ..... I would suggest that if your best "guessimation" at a hold is 20ft over and 10ft into the wind, you would be a fool to shoot at all.
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What would be your firing solution if a farmer had hired you to stop yotes from killing his sheep and this scenario presented itself and may never again.

Just curious as I don't own a .223 at the moment as I sold mine prior to entry into Canada.

Not trying to start an argument and it was a tongue in cheek sorta answer I gave but seroiusly will you or can you provide an answer that would provide some value other than to call the shot foolish or anyone a fool because they would take the shot?
Just curious about our difference of opinion.

Cheers
 
skypilot said:
What would be your firing solution if a farmer had hired you to stop yotes from killing his sheep and this scenario presented itself and may never again.

Just curious as I don't own a .223 at the moment as I sold mine prior to entry into Canada.

Not trying to start an argument and it was a tongue in cheek sorta answer I gave but seroiusly will you or can you provide an answer that would provide some value other than to call the shot foolish or anyone a fool because they would take the shot?
Just curious about our difference of opinion.

Cheers
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Well, our main difference is that I think it's foolish and you don't. A difference of opinion.

But since you were curious:

My opinion is based on the idea that I'm always willing to go back and try a different call, different spot, different weather (colder is likely better), in an attempt to get him to come close enough to actually shoot, rather than take a shot that has almost no chance of success, but which will scare the dog badly and make it more call shy in the future. I prefer to kill them rather than educate them. Difference of opinion and approach.
 
rral22 said:
Well, our main difference is that I think it's foolish and you don't. A difference of opinion.

But since you were curious:

My opinion is based on the idea that I'm always willing to go back and try a different call, different spot, different weather (colder is likely better), in an attempt to get him to come close enough to actually shoot, rather than take a shot that has almost no chance of success, but which will scare the dog badly and make it more call shy in the future. I prefer to kill them rather than educate them. Difference of opinion and approach.
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Thanks for your explanation. I do exactly the same, I change/calls, spots and colder is definetly better. The difference I guess is opinion.

I would not try a hung up yote at that distance if I thought I would miss him.
They just won't always get inside 400 yds in many places in the States and yes it could be from ranchers and farmers shooting friviously.
 
Being a territorial animal It could of been entering another's coyotes territory and didn't want to risk getting caught.

What howls were you using? It's there mating season right now so they will respond to howls and such, depending what you are telling them :D.
 
We had the electronic call going about an hour before dark last week and I was sitting by a ravine. I had the wind behind me, and could start to smell this awful stench, and when I turned around there was a great big coyote staring me down about 10 yards away but it was gone back into the brush before I could turn around with my .223:mad: Was a dang big male too!
 
Well the one thing I've learned about coyote's around this area is that they don't react the same to a call as the ones on the hunting channel. "Not" anywhere near as gullable. The locals here are alot more sophisticated.

On Predator Quest old "Les" blows the call a few times and the coyotes come a running from parts unknown almost tripping over themselves to get in line to get shot.

Around here the coyotes watch th military channel. There which they learn how to operate the lastest in electronic forward survailance equipment. Earth google, infared satilite imaging, are all at there paw tips on palm pilots, I pods, heads up displays, rhino gps, etc.

"Yep" the coyotes around here play different. They eat better and live a whole lot longer as a result. :D
 
mrgoat said:
Well the one thing I've learned about coyote's around this area is that they don't react the same to a call as the ones on the hunting channel. "Not" anywhere near as gullable. The locals here are alot more sophisticated.

On Predator Quest old "Les" blows the call a few times and the coyotes come a running from parts unknown almost tripping over themselves to get in line to get shot.

Around here the coyotes watch th military channel. There which they learn how to operate the lastest in electronic forward survailance equipment. Earth google, infared satilite imaging, are all at there paw tips on palm pilots, I pods, heads up displays, rhino gps, etc.

"Yep" the coyotes around here play different. They eat better and live a whole lot longer as a result. :D
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To me, it sounds like they have been highly educated at one time or another. Same as around my parts. I do have to admit though....I`m an under payed teacher cause I highly educated a few myself.
 
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