I also had a similar experience a while ago, I didn't go through with it either.
Beware of liars and scammers!
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The FBI.. that's funny
The fraud reporting forum is only for transactions that originate at CGN Equipment Exchange Section. Please do not put fraudulent and scams that occur in other auctions/websites/forums in CGN fraud reporting section.
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- Vancouver Island lady
I've done lots of selling on Kijiji and had MANY idiots try to scam me this way....don't fall for it!
Aniest
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- Edmonton city limits and east
Thank you for the information. I have recently purchased from you and found you to be an outstanding and excellent sponsor for CGN: I certainly weould not wish a scam like this on anyone, but least of which on someone as outstanding as you. Good luck!
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- Coquitlam BC
I would never sell a restricted firearm without EMT first.
Scammers
I got scammed on a Nightfirce scope. The scammer sent me a scan of a RPAL showing his name, photo, and gave me an address in northern Alberta and a phone number. I phoned him and everything appeared ok, so I EMT'd the funds to him and never heard from him again. His phone number was a mobile and it was taken down. I traced the email address to Africa, so I reported it to the RCMP. They couldn't do a thing to trace how he got the RPAL forgery or trace the email to him. My bank could not recover the funds either. This took place on another gun trading site, and the administrators could not provide me with any info. on him. I now only deal with traders with a 100% rating over 25 transactions, and every time I send an EMT I expect a possibility of fraud. What we need on all sites is an escrow service to handle the funds until the product is delivered. I would gladly pay for such a service.
I got scammed on a Nightfirce scope. The scammer sent me a scan of a RPAL showing his name, photo, and gave me an address in northern Alberta and a phone number. I phoned him and everything appeared ok, so I EMT'd the funds to him and never heard from him again. His phone number was a mobile and it was taken down. I traced the email address to Africa, so I reported it to the RCMP. They couldn't do a thing to trace how he got the RPAL forgery or trace the email to him. My bank could not recover the funds either. This took place on another gun trading site, and the administrators could not provide me with any info. on him. I now only deal with traders with a 100% rating over 25 transactions, and every time I send an EMT I expect a possibility of fraud. What we need on all sites is an escrow service to handle the funds until the product is delivered. I would gladly pay for such a service.
ljones
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That is informative but how does one develop a 100 percent rating over 25 transactions if everyone is afraid to deal with someone with less... sad what this world has come to...
I got scammed a few year ago on a gun I bought from firearms canada site the rcmp have bigger fish to fry,they don't care about these scammers.some of these scammers get away with tens of thousands of dollars worth of scams a year with no repercussions.I never heard of anyone getting thier money back.What needs to happen is give these guys a one year mandatory jail sentence that will make them think twice.
scott_r
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- Behind a .204 Ruger
Scams are just the nature of the beast here. If you don't want to be scammed either buy new or meet face to face, inspect the goods and pay cash. I will sell goods to anyone here but wont buy from anyone new with a trading under 25 thats not perfect. No offence to our new guys either.
critter928
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It has nothing to do with "bigger fish to fry", it has to do with the fact the offender and victim are in entirely different jurisdictions and it is all but impractical to prosecute.
If the fraud is under $5000 then it will be treated as a summary offence (which puts it in the same category as stealing a pack of gum from your local corner store).
If that offence occurs across Provincial jurisdictions, good luck getting a Crown to prosecute.
If it ever went to court there is no way in hell the Crown (us taxpayers) is willing to pay to bring the victim to court across the country to face the accused for an item under $5000 that will see essentially a slap on the wrist (because a summary offence property crime is worth not much more than a fine or community service in the grand scale of offences and punishments in our "justice" system).
If the accused leaves the area (which they usually do), then an arrest warrant would need to be sought to bring the person back to the presiding court to face the charges as well. Something that is even more expensive. If it they leave the province, no court in the country is going to issue an inter-provinical arrest warrant, nor is any Crown going to seek one just to bring a person back to face a summary offence.
Even within the province it is unlikely to go anywhere having to bring the victim to the trial, or bring the accused back when he leaves the area as soon as he knows the gig is up.
And even if they caught the person before they left and you said you would come to testify, or if you were willing to pay your own way, more people do not show up for petty property crime and after all the resources spent to prosecute them it ends up getting thrown up because it was not worth someone's time to show up. And no judge is going to hold the person in custody pending trial, so as soon as they get released they leave town knowing that it is unlikely anyone is willing to pay to bring them back to stand trial on a summary offence, and thus the arrest warrant will likely be radius the town it happened in, and not even province wide let alone country wide.
The Code and offences were written for a time when frauds under $5000 were exclusively local occurrences, as it was not worth the crooks time to do something over such distances (and would have to be quite elaborate to be able to do). The internet has changed that and criminals can orchestrate multiple frauds over multiple jurisdictions without leaving their basement.
My advice is if the deal is not local, either make sure you have a reason to trust the person you are dealing with, or be willing to walk away from the money.
But even if you get burned, make sure to report it.
If it is a one off, it is not likely to go anywhere (but even having an officer talk to the "fraudster" sometimes gets the job done). However if it is a regular scammer, there are units that deal with these people and are willing to prosecute the offences most of the time. I have seen some of these scammers phone numbers linked to hundreds of small frauds right across the country, and even though they may be only a few hundred dollars each, it adds up and the resources will be spent to do what can be done to shut them down.
As for getting your money back from these guys, good luck. Even if it ends in a successful prosecution and the court orders restitution, good luck getting it or enforcing it from across the country as well. You can't get blood from a stone.
Like I said, the Criminal Code never envisioned that someone would be able to scam someone so easily for so little money from across the country (or from out of the country), and thus the tools in it are not the easiest or most practical to try and investigate and prosecute these offences (which in the grand scheme of things are on the same level of shoplifting a pack of gum from your local corner store).
So it is not that there are "bigger fish to fry", or police "don't care about these scammers", it is how difficult it is to prosecute (let alone investigate) across such great distances and jurisdictions, and for a crime that is low enough on the radar it takes multiple ones to make it practical to prosecute.
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