Beware Oldgunscanada - Delta BC

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Few Days ago I paid to Gun Dealer Oldgunscanada from Delta BC - Canada 11,200.** Cdn Dollar all in for a Colt first Richards Conversion advertised as in “Excellent” condition. OGC does not allow self pick up of his Antiques, adding substantial Shipping & Insurance costs. While the Revolver appears at first glance in good condition after removing the Grips a badly Plier mangled Hammer Spring revealed itself and that was just the start. Sending an Item back to a Seller which disrespects you and cannot be trusted with his Evaluation, I don’t have the confidence he does not wilfully deduct an arbitrary amount from a full Refund.
 
The mangled spring may not have been noticed by the seller, if he didn't disassemble the pistol before selling it to you.

This sort of thing happens.

Many folks won't take apart valuable firearms with irreplaceable parts, because they don't want to break anything, or gall screw heads, if they're frozen.

If I purchase an antique I don't intend to shoot, I seldom disassemble the piece for that reason.

If you didn't ask for recent pics???????????????????????
 
As was said i dont think a seller of antique firearms would be removing every single screw from each firearm in order to 100% verify absolutely everything on each gun. Removing grips on old revolvers is a gamble every time you do it, they are so easy to break, i do not blame the seller for not accounting for that spring, which by the sounds of it isnt necessarily even broken but just esthetically unpleasant? Unfortunate situation but i wouldn't read into it any malice on the part of the seller.
 
As was said i dont think a seller of antique firearms would be removing every single screw from each firearm in order to 100% verify absolutely everything on each gun. Removing grips on old revolvers is a gamble every time you do it, they are so easy to break, i do not blame the seller for not accounting for that spring, which by the sounds of it isnt necessarily even broken but just esthetically unpleasant? Unfortunate situation but i wouldn't read into it any malice on the part of the seller.

He said “just the start” but went no further. So yes. As of right now it’s just the hidden spring. Unless he elaborates on his statement.
I’d be pissed to though being a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to certain things. 11 grand id expect perfection.
 
Few Days ago I paid to Gun Dealer Oldgunscanada from Delta BC - Canada 11,200.** Cdn Dollar all in for a Colt first Richards Conversion advertised as in “Excellent” condition. OGC does not allow self pick up of his Antiques, adding substantial Shipping & Insurance costs. While the Revolver appears at first glance in good condition after removing the Grips a badly Plier mangled Hammer Spring revealed itself and that was just the start. Sending an Item back to a Seller which disrespects you and cannot be trusted with his Evaluation, I don’t have the confidence he does not wilfully deduct an arbitrary amount from a full Refund.

You claim there are multiple issues and only list one.
You do not provide any picture evidence of said issue.
You are a short ferry ride away from the seller, you could have inspected it in person prior given the cost involved.

Sounds more like your other half didn't approve of this purchase and you are trying to weasel out of it based on how loosely you put this story together.
 
You claim there are multiple issues and only list one.
You do not provide any picture evidence of said issue.
You are a short ferry ride away from the seller, you could have inspected it in person prior given the cost involved.

Sounds more like your other half didn't approve of this purchase and you are trying to weasel out of it based on how loosely you put this story together.
No, he couldn't have verified it in person, because the seller doesn't allow customers to come to his home, or wherever he keeps the firearms.

I do the same, usually the buyer is OK, but they always want to bring "someone else" with them, and that's exactly how it progresses to a break in.

Word of mouth, gets information spread very quickly.

There was a break in in the area I live. It happened several decades ago, but all of the information used by the crooks to get in, came from a couple of local constables discussing what they had seen that day at the home of a local resident, while they were all at a local restaurant.

It's often not intentional, sometimes it's braggadacio. It happens more often than people realize.

For the money the OP paid out, he should have asked for pics. Pics to another phone or even computer are easy, not like posting on a site.
 
If I was seriously considering buying an antique revolver for $11,200 id fly down and look at it

The store is in delta, your in Victoria/PG

Return flight is 500$ or less

Ive flown out to look at things for alot less
 
I understand you are disappointed but before I would comment on here about a deal gone bad I would talk to the dealer first about a refund then go from there
 
So, you really want to do this in public, Karl? It's easy for an anonymous screen name individual to bad-mouth a business which is visible to anyone on this forum. Although one bad review does nothing to diminish my 10-year reputation as a fair and honest business, I do feel like I need to respond:
The gun, a Colt 1860 Richards conversion is indeed in NRA excellent condition, as described on my website. The web page is still up, for anyone who wants to see it. After Karl bought the gun, he e-mailed me to complain that upon disassembly (why??) he noticed the hammer spring screw was badly mangled. I did not take the gun apart because there was no reason for it. It is functionally as perfect as can be expected from a 150 year old gun - no, it is just about perfect, period. Unnecessary disassembly is never a good idea, and I never do it unless I absolutely have to. Karl went further and continued to disassemble the gun (which is against my sales policies - read up on it, it's all over my website) removing the barrel and extractor housing, and found two numbers under the extractor housing which do not match the serial number. He immediately suspected that the gun had been "doctored" and made to look like it is original. Anyone who knows the history of the Colt cartridge conversions knows that they were assembled from percussion gun parts, after the expiry of the Rollin White patent of 1855. The number under the extractor housing is an assembly number used to identify parts after they had been fitted, and before they were finished. A very common practice with all firearms makers. This is what makes the conversions so desirable to collectors! There are very few out there in such fine condition, and they are much more rare than the percussion models.
Then, Karl proceeded to "slug the barrel", another no-no in my sales policy. You do not disassemble or alter the antique in any way if you intend to return it, and you do not perform any sort of "experiments" on it. This is a high-grade antique, not a Glock. Even though, I offered Karl a full refund, including the $423 of FedEx insurance he insisted on. Karl's reply was that I should come to his house in Victoria, cash in hand, to collect the gun, as he does not trust me. I repeatedly referred him to the "Terms & Conditions" on my website, and allowed for a return despite the disassembly. Then Karl wanted a $6000 refund and keep the gun, because he did not believe it was worth more than $4000. I declined, again offering a full refund upon return of the gun in unaltered condition. Then Karl demanded that I refund him the full purchase price BEFORE he returned the gun "promising" to return it once he had his money. There is no retailer on the planet who will provide a refund without the merchandise being returned first. I declined again, referring him to the return policy on my website. This was supposed to happen last Friday. I received no response. I offered to extend the return period for another three days to Monday. No response. Finally, I advised Karl that the matter was now closed, as I did not receive a response or indication that he had initiated a return. I pride myself on my fairness and ability to make things right with my customers. I endured threats, beratement and unfounded accusations from Karl, and frankly I am not inclined to pursue this matter any further. I apologize to the community for this being dragged into the public view. Karl, you have a very special and scarce revolver here. I have never, in 10 years, seen one like it. It's not "mint", but still in excellent condition for a 150 year old gun. I absolutely stand behind my assessment and the description on my website.
Best regards,
Chris
 
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So, you really want to do this in public, Karl? It's easy for an anonymous screen name individual to bad-mouth a business which is visible to anyone on this forum. Although one bad review does nothing to diminish my 10-year reputation as a fair and honest business, I do feel like I need to respond:
The gun, a Colt 1860 Richards conversion is indeed in NRA excellent condition, as described on my website. The web page is still up, for anyone who wants to see it. After Karl bought the gun, he e-mailed me to complain that upon disassembly (why??) he noticed the hammer spring screw was badly mangled. I did not take the gun apart because there was no reason for it. It is functionally as perfect as can be expected from a 150 year old gun - no, it is just about perfect, period. Unnecessary disassembly is never a good idea, and I never do it unless I absolutely have to. Karl went further and continued to disassemble the gun (which is against my sales policies - read up on it, it's all over my website) removing the barrel and extractor housing, and found two numbers under the extractor housing which do not match the serial number. He immediately suspected that the gun had been "doctored" and made to look like it is original. Anyone who knows the history of the Colt cartridge conversions knows that they were assembled from percussion gun parts, after the expiry of the Rollin White patent of 1855. The number under the extractor housing is an assembly number used to identify parts after they had been fitted, and before they were finished. A very common practice with all firearms makers. This is what makes the conversions so desirable to collectors! There are very few out there in such fine condition, and they are much more rare than the percussion models.
Then, Karl proceeded to "slug the barrel", another no-no in my sales policy. You do not disassemble or alter the antique in any way if you intend to return it, and you do not perform any sort of "experiments" on it. This is a high-grade antique, not a Glock. Even though, I offered Karl a full refund, including the $423 of FedEx insurance he insisted on. Karl's reply was that I should come to his house in Victoria, cash in hand, to collect the gun, as he does not trust me. I repeatedly referred him to the "Terms & Conditions" on my website, and allowed for a return despite the disassembly. Then Karl wanted a $6000 refund and keep the gun, because he did not believe it was worth more than $4000. I declined, again offering a full refund upon return of the gun in unaltered condition. Then Karl demanded that I refund him the full purchase price BEFORE he returned the gun "promising" to return it once he had his money. There is no retailer on the planet who will provide a refund without the merchandise being returned first. I declined again, referring him to the return policy on my website. This was supposed to happen last Friday. I received no response. I offered to extend the return period for another three days to Monday. No response. Finally, I advised Karl that the matter was now closed, as I did not receive a response or indication that he had initiated a return. I pride myself on my fairness and ability to make things right with my customers. I endured threats, beratement and unfounded accusations from Karl, and frankly I am not inclined to pursue this matter any further. I apologize to the community for this being dragged into the public view. Karl, you have a very special and scarce revolver here. I have never, in 10 years, seen one like it. It's not "mint", but still in excellent condition for a 150 year old gun. I absolutely stand behind my assessment and the description on my website.
Best regards,
Chris
Sounds like you went above and beyond to me , a perfectly reasonable response .
 
The mangled spring may not have been noticed by the seller, if he didn't disassemble the pistol before selling it to you.

This sort of thing happens.

Many folks won't take apart valuable firearms with irreplaceable parts, because they don't want to break anything, or gall screw heads, if they're frozen.

If I purchase an antique I don't intend to shoot, I seldom disassemble the piece for that reason.

If you didn't ask for recent pics???????????????????????
if your selling 11k guns you r not a novice and worried about mating a screw head you are long past that
 
one more time you bought a 11 k gun sight unseen
with out a 3 day inspection or anything
you are on your own it's always someone else's fault that's the way of the world today
you are responsible for your actions know one else
 
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