Beyond Belief Long Range Hunting DVD
- Thread starter Nester
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I can ditto that !!stubblejumper said:
ain't happenin'.....
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Long Range Canuck
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stubblejumper said:
This is not a sport for so called average shooters, It is a very diciplined sport not for everyone, that takes a great deal of homework and prep. I posted a lot about this last year in a thread, here's the link cause I don't think I can repeat it any better than already stated and discussed. If your interested take the time to read the thread. It is going to bring up a lot of crap about being ethical and humane, and all I can say to that is it is as humane as the individual persuing it, just as any other form of hunting, I've seen so called "Experianced" hunters gut shoot, and even miss animals under 50yrds away.
www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61495
This whole argument reminds me of a quote from Jim Shockey- "that beautiful animal doesn't deserve to be "sniped" from 200 yards".
How stupid is this statement coming from a guy hunting with a blackpowder rifle? If you are a hard core traditionalist hunting with a recurve and wooden arrows I could understand this issue about "sniping", but a muzzle loadeder that groups 3" ay 200 yards?
Get serious!
I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion... even if it is wrong
Hey Canadian Hunter..Do you bow hunt? Just curious.
How stupid is this statement coming from a guy hunting with a blackpowder rifle? If you are a hard core traditionalist hunting with a recurve and wooden arrows I could understand this issue about "sniping", but a muzzle loadeder that groups 3" ay 200 yards?
Get serious!
I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion... even if it is wrong
Hey Canadian Hunter..Do you bow hunt? Just curious.
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In my opinion how each of us hunts is a personal choice. When it comes down to deciding what is right and wrong, ethical or unethical, is a matter of is it done properly with no cruealty to the animal. Are the individuals hunting skills up to speed, and is it safe to the individual and others that can be hunting in that area. This applies to wether it's primitive weapons, bow or blackpowder, handgun,rifle, Long range or what have you. We shouldn't be bashing each others hunting styles, but working together to make sure what ever style a person desides to hunt, he is properly trained and informed on how to do it ethically, and successfully with out exceeding his personal limitations whatever they may be.
Just an opinion
Just an opinion
canadian hunter312 said:why not try hunting instead of shooting
This is what you said... this is not debate. You couldn't debate your way out of a wet paper bag. You are simply derisive of any kind of hunting that you don't understand and lack the skills for.
canadian hunter312
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BIGREDD said:This is what you said... this is not debate. You couldn't debate your way out of a wet paper bag. You are simply derisive of any kind of hunting that you don't understand and lack the skills for.
thats right pal
going by the number of posts it looks like you get out shooting alot there eh? what isnt there to understand about long range shooting? it takes SHOOTING skills, not hunting skills to shoot an animal that far away. please explain what hunting skills are required? do you need to find bedding areas, scrapes, trails, etc? wow must be hard to stalk an animal 700 yards away
when shooting this far away you just sit in an open area and just wait for an animal to walk out.too many factors that humans cant control that make long range shooting unethical on big game.
So according to you,if you simply pick any open area and sit down, a trophy animal is going to walk out within 700 yards?Sounds really simple.I didn't think that there were enough animals out there for one to be in every open area,especially considering that I hunt in Alberta and Saskatchewan.I guess that I am wasting my time scouting out feeding areas and game trails and watching the prevailing winds.After all,according to you,any open area will do.
I thought about long range shooting while hunting for loong time.
I then practiced at long range and got the highest BC bullet with the fastest load that would group well enough (an understatement) in my rifle - a tikka.
To my dismay, I couldn't find any place to worth the trouble of getting set up for a long range shoot. But then again, I live in Ontario...
I ended up taking the deer I was looking for with an iron sighted M14.
A true hunter has to adapt, I guess, to whatever is suitable for the environment he's hunting in and to what ultimately works....
I then practiced at long range and got the highest BC bullet with the fastest load that would group well enough (an understatement) in my rifle - a tikka.
To my dismay, I couldn't find any place to worth the trouble of getting set up for a long range shoot. But then again, I live in Ontario...
I ended up taking the deer I was looking for with an iron sighted M14.
A true hunter has to adapt, I guess, to whatever is suitable for the environment he's hunting in and to what ultimately works....
canadian hunter312 said:thats right pal
WoW! Yo said that to BIGREDD
... Seems this thread will has a few more pages... canadian hunter312 said:
Never heard about sheep hunting? Damn the tag will cost me $311.35 + GST...oops! Ontarian...me too
I think a lot of the debate/discussion in regard to long-range shooting or hunting comes from our own experience or inexperience of the issue. Like Canadian hunter 312, a few years ago I was absolutely disgusted by individuals that seemed to get off over 500+ yard shots. But after researching many of the long-range shooting websites and information available I became quite impressed at the dedication, skill and discipline of many of these individuals. It’s not for everyone (including myself) because few possess the discipline to practice and understand the dynamics of such an undertaking, but I have absolutely no problem calling these individuals hunters.
What originally did bother me (and I suspect many of you as well) was when a couple of acquaintances that I have hunted with came over to my house to view a long range hunting video. Of course, we were all impressed with the distance and effectiveness of the shots on elk, deer and coyotes, but what bothered me was that both these individuals proclaimed that they were going to try these types of shots in the coming hunting season. I know both these guys and I know that their commitment to target shooting is no more than twenty shots per year at a 100 yard target. Obviously, they were a recipe for disaster and potentially a bad endorsement for shooters, hunters and hunting. I let them know my feelings.
The satisfaction from hunting, like ethics, is a personal thing. Some prefer bows, some prefer black powder, some prefer iron sights, some prefer stands, some prefer still-hunting, etc. I agree, it’s all hunting and we should not let it divide us. Regardless of our hunting method or preferred weapon, we need to be confident in our abilities through practice and knowledge. I see shooting skills and hunting skills to be quite synonymous. When you have the bow drawn on a big buck at 20 yards you still need to prove your skill as a shooter to complete your skill as a hunter. Wouldn’t you agree? Cheers!
What originally did bother me (and I suspect many of you as well) was when a couple of acquaintances that I have hunted with came over to my house to view a long range hunting video. Of course, we were all impressed with the distance and effectiveness of the shots on elk, deer and coyotes, but what bothered me was that both these individuals proclaimed that they were going to try these types of shots in the coming hunting season. I know both these guys and I know that their commitment to target shooting is no more than twenty shots per year at a 100 yard target. Obviously, they were a recipe for disaster and potentially a bad endorsement for shooters, hunters and hunting. I let them know my feelings.
The satisfaction from hunting, like ethics, is a personal thing. Some prefer bows, some prefer black powder, some prefer iron sights, some prefer stands, some prefer still-hunting, etc. I agree, it’s all hunting and we should not let it divide us. Regardless of our hunting method or preferred weapon, we need to be confident in our abilities through practice and knowledge. I see shooting skills and hunting skills to be quite synonymous. When you have the bow drawn on a big buck at 20 yards you still need to prove your skill as a shooter to complete your skill as a hunter. Wouldn’t you agree? Cheers!
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lick me...
arent those wut u put up yer arse?
arent those wut u put up yer arse?
canadian hunter312 said:thats right pal
what isnt there to understand about long range shooting? it takes SHOOTING skills, not hunting skills to shoot an animal that far away. please explain what hunting skills are required? do you need to find bedding areas, scrapes, trails, etc? wow must be hard to stalk an animal 700 yards away
too many factors that humans cant control that make long range shooting unethical on big game.
Not only do you know very little about hunting... you are very inadequate at debate as well.
I am sorry to have to tell you this but your playing of the ethics card has put you solidly into the anti-hunting camp. You my twisted little friend are the reason that antis can exist and your twisted inane logic is the reason they gain public support.
As far as hunting experience goes... I could quit now and you could hunt for the rest of your miserable life and you would never catch up. I'm serious.
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BIGREDD said:As far as hunting experience goes... I could quit now and you could hunt for the rest of your miserable life and you would never catch up. I'm serious.
Jeezus Redd, with comments like that you truly do look pathetic!
And this is the way you debate
Grow up man!
I don't have a great hunting experience. Not any close to most of the members here, but I know this : long range hunting requires dedication, and done right is just as much investment as one becoming a good tracker / stalker.
We were asked to hit something @ 600 m. If we "connected " hoorray! . if not, the spotter would say : two clicks left three down, or such, and we got it right. Hunting is a little more demanding then that (if done right and ethical).
We were asked to hit something @ 600 m. If we "connected " hoorray! . if not, the spotter would say : two clicks left three down, or such, and we got it right. Hunting is a little more demanding then that (if done right and ethical).
canadian hunter312
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BIGREDD said:Not only do you know very little about hunting... you are very inadequate at debate as well.
I am sorry to have to tell you this but your playing of the ethics card has put you solidly into the anti-hunting camp. You my twisted little friend are the reason that antis can exist and your twisted inane logic is the reason they gain public support.
As far as hunting experience goes... I could quit now and you could hunt for the rest of your miserable life and you would never catch up. I'm serious.
LMFAO you are one pathetic soul
take a simple debate and start making it personal clearly i AM an anti hunter AND anti gunner you silly turd and obviously i support them.
now go pull yer head outta yer ass and think about how yer gonna make yerself look like an idiot next time. one day ill try to be as good as you
btw...i find it rather amusing that you soposivly know about my "miserable" life and my hunting experience.
lets all give a cheer for armchair wairriors!
