Big and slow VS Small and fast = Knockdown Power

[BigUglyMan]

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I don't hunt in 200mph winds but I do hunt in sum big winds last deer I got was bedded down hiding from the wind gust up to 60km and raining like a basters
Most moose I have gotten wear bedded down as well I just can't see how fast flat shooting magnum will open up at 25 yards don't get me wrong I have a 6.5CM I realy like but I realy like my 44mag both are grait deer rounds and in a pinch I would use both on moose so I'm on the fence on this debate
Ther is no question the flat shooting magnums and the fat girls both work and it gets more intersting as we dig into it more

First, use some punctuation. It looks like your kid got on the computer and used your CGN account...your posts are usually better written than this.

But to respond to the points you make, given similar bullet construction, increased velocity will result in more expansion. At 25 yards you have almost full muzzle velocity at impact. To illustrate what happens when a bullet hits something at full speed, take a look at the 9.2x62 Bullet Test thread. Those bullets all impacted at nearly full velocity (not sure what speeds Ted and Phil are getting but it's high enough that it's not a factor) and you can see the results. Now, if you're shooting a soft bullet out of your 44 mag (ie a bullet intended for shooting people) then it will expand a lot more than tougher bullets. If you're using hard cast bullets they will expand significantly less. Your 6.5CM and 44 Mag are actually pretty poor moose rounds, though they will work in a pinch, as you say, but there are many much better choices.

 

[carverk]

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Well, a moose in the freezer is a moose on the freezer, so if it works for you, have at 'er.

I've got nothing against the big bores... Love 'em in fact. But choosing a big bore specifically to compensate for wind is just plain wrong. Worse than wrong - it's exactly backwards.

Your deer bedded down in 60kph winds at 150 yards is a perfect example of how dangerous that myth can be. If the wind was sustained at 60, your 6.5 CM would drift less than 5 inches, and deliver just shy of 2000 foot pounds of energy. Your 44 mag will drift a whopping 3 FEET at that distance and deliver about 700 foot pounds of energy. That's a wounded deer with his ass half blowed off. Even at 75 yards you're looking at 9 inches of drift, which could increase the likelihood of a gut shot animal.

I guess my point is, forget the campfire stories. Get some balistic tables for your rifles and study them so you can make the best decision when you open your gun safe on opening morning. Big and slow is great, but grabbing your 44mag or 45-70 BECAUSE it's windy is an injured animal waiting to happen.


http://whitetail.winchester.com/2013/myth-heavy-bullets-drift-less-in-the-wind/

I will stick to 22lr got more deer with small and slow haha
What are you talking about I stalk my game I never take long shots or take chances on poorly place shots
I Sumtimes work as a Bear monitor can't see how showing up on the job with a fast light flat shooting magnum would go over well
At my age and my experience I think I know what works for me most times I pick the rifle I'm going to use solely on availability of ammo I think your reading to much into the ballistic charts
I spent his life living and working up north working on commercial fish boat ,trapping ,mining ,logging ,and pipelining
Not all ove us had a fine Quality education I started commercial fishing wen I was 8 year old that's wen I got my first 22 LR as part of my pay
I can get the same result using a 22lr as you guys using magnums and the fat girls just have to sneek in closer and precise shooting

 

[burkeg]

Reloading? There's something to be said of the economy of cast bullets from a 45-70. Shoot lots and a fast small bore such as the 243wssm might last 1000 to 1500 rounds, along with the cost of premium bullets and cases. A big bore like a 45-70 can be loaded up or down, shot almost infinitely with cast, usually use less powder (super expensive these days), brass lasts much longer and is a handier rifle (lets say a Marlin or a short #1 or a short Thompson Center is easier to carry). An afternoon of off hand busting rocks is way more fun with my Marlin than with my 6.5x284 for example... Dogleg does say it best though

 

[carverk]

I would not blame a guy who hunts in open Country wanting a fast flat shooting rifle and good optics if I was hunting on farm land that's what I would want too
But I hunt the Northen BC you can loose a deer if it wonders 30 yards from wear you shoot it
I like a short light rifle it's easier to handle in the bush fast to point and way quicker to get out of a truck
caliber is realy irrelevant it's the distance and your hunting style that's imported