BIG and Slower VS Smaller and Fast

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Here is an age old debate to start off the weekend in your opinion what perfered method of projectile do you perfer to hunt with and why.

I myself have used both in hunting cartridges and both with mixed results for the reasons I did not match the bullet to the speed and the diameter of the bullet. But over the years have learned this and now have it somewhat figured out after messing up a few deer splatering the bullets on the shoulders with high velocity stuff.
However I am a tried and trued Big and slow guy I like big bores and lots of wieght and added penetration.
 
Which camp do you belong to ? Keith or O'Conner
This smells of a bar fight about to break out.
It should provide interesting reading.
 
I'm from the small and fast school of thought, for the way I hunt - there's something to be said for a 168gr TSX at 3090ft/s.

It all depends on what kind of hunting you do, there are some instances where I would be more comfortable (thick bush, angry bear) with a 45-70 or similar.
 
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Suputin said:
You obviously don't know anything about Benchrest. Those are the most accurate rifles in the world and they tend to push their bullets very fast for the caliber.

Fast reduces windage errors, which ultimately increases accuracy, everything else being equal.
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you obviously don't know anything about big bores. see how stupid that sounds? now read your post again.

never said accuracy. said consistancy. terminal prefromance on game.
 
Big and fairly fast (2600 + fps) I used my .338 for deer last year and guess what, it worked great. I've got bigger for the larger stuff.
 
slow or fast

Both Elmer Keith and Jack O'Connor had valid arguments. The big and slow 45-70 would be more suited for taking big game and the fast calibers like 22-250 are better for small game. Most hunters know to match the gun to what your hunting and not risk injury to yourself or the game by using something too small.:rolleyes:
 
I tend to use bullets that are heavy for caliber.

64gr & 70gr for .224 cal
140gr for .264cal
180gr for .308cal
250gr for .358cal



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For Ontario I find light and fast is good for varmints, but I like slow and heavy for big game. I can see where light and fast for big game could work where shooting distances tend to be longer (prairies).
 
I usually end up right in the middle, 165 gr 30, 140 gr 277, 125 gr 6.5. I am looking for a 338 and I will probably use 210 or 225 gr TSX bullets.

So I guess I'm like Paul Martin I can't make up my mind so I make nobody happy.
 
I think the debate is pretty moot these days anyway...The big, slow and heavy concept was for penetration.

The modern bullets like the X will penetrate very well, even in smaller calibers, and with lighter weight bullets. Even cheaper 'premiums' like the Accubond and Interbond penetrate very well.

Of course, there are times when you just need BIGGER, and then it doens't matter if it is abig and slow, or big and fast..You need a big cartridge because you want to stop a bear or something. That is why I use a 375 H&H on bears, even black bears- Becuase I shoot them at close range and they seem to go down faster with the bigger bullets. I dont' like trackign bears.

But really, a BSH cartridge/bullet doens't work for me for most hunting. I want to be abe to reach out to 350 or so if I have to. The BSH cartridges like the 45-70 just don't have that versatility. (Yes, I know you can shoot long range with a 45-70, but it not as easy as just placing your X-hairs on the deer with your 270....)

Smaller cartridges kill very well with good bullets, and are more versatile.
 
x2 for the 375 hh probably more than we need for hunting that's why my young lad is getting part of his inheritance about 40 years early.
 
The biggest problem from high velocity calibers is that it ruins alot of meat at close to medium range, which is the range MOST game is shot at.






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