BIG and Slower VS Smaller and Fast
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I hunt deer at close range, like 25 to 50 yards. I use 180gr power points in 308 and they get the job done beautifully 
I would probably move to a lighter and faster bullet for longer range. I would also choose a bullet that would expande quicker. I don't want to start any fights, but I can't understand why anyone would want to hunt deer with anything bigger than a 7mm rem mag.
I would probably move to a lighter and faster bullet for longer range. I would also choose a bullet that would expande quicker. I don't want to start any fights, but I can't understand why anyone would want to hunt deer with anything bigger than a 7mm rem mag. 
For deer, and non-dangerous African game anything in the 30/06 range out to 300yards or so, never seen the use for the ultra mags, Bigger bullets at moderate velocity, kills just as reliably as small fast ones the diffrence I have found is that the faster bullets waist lots of meat.
BTW There is the age old debate 30/06 VS 270win.
I own both and honestly I love them both and there's nthing one can do the other one can't
BTW There is the age old debate 30/06 VS 270win.
I own both and honestly I love them both and there's nthing one can do the other one can't
I don't know, big and slow is working for me. I take my .64 Chevrolet out pretty regularly and 3700 pounds @ around 100 fps seems really effective.
Gatehouse said:If meat damage is your primary concern, then wiat for a broadside shot and shoot them in the ribs, and/or use a tougher bullet.
Gatehouse said:Well, technically, you can make them mix, by emulsifcation.
Mayonnaise is a good example of this.
Clarke, I DO believe that you are looking for an argument today.
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depends on what type of animals you're hunting, and the distances you shoot
Id rather hunt moose and elk with a 45/70 than a 257 Weatherby, even if it was in the wide open terrain
Myself, I prefer bullets with sectional densities about .250, and at muzzle velocities between 2600 and 3000 fps
Id rather hunt moose and elk with a 45/70 than a 257 Weatherby, even if it was in the wide open terrain
Myself, I prefer bullets with sectional densities about .250, and at muzzle velocities between 2600 and 3000 fps
I'm of the small and fast category (most of the time).
I prefer bullets in the SD .250 @ 3000+fps. The only exception is my 35 Whelen, it fits into the medium and moderate category.
I owned a Marlin Stainless 45-70 Guide Gun, but I just can't warm up to bullets travelling under 2200fps with the BC of a AA Duracell and trajectory of a downrigger ball thrown by a 6yr old midget with poor hand/eye coordination.
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I prefer bullets in the SD .250 @ 3000+fps. The only exception is my 35 Whelen, it fits into the medium and moderate category.
I owned a Marlin Stainless 45-70 Guide Gun, but I just can't warm up to bullets travelling under 2200fps with the BC of a AA Duracell and trajectory of a downrigger ball thrown by a 6yr old midget with poor hand/eye coordination.
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My preference is dictated by the hunting situations I expect to encounter - if I expect shots 150 to 300 yards, then it will be either a 6.5x55 Swede, 7mm Mauser, .308 Win, 7.5x55 Schmidt-Rubin, .30-06, or 8mm Mauser.
Otherwise, it will be .348 Winchester, 35 Remington, or 45-70 Govt. for shots in the 150 yard and under range.
Otherwise, it will be .348 Winchester, 35 Remington, or 45-70 Govt. for shots in the 150 yard and under range.
SC, your .224 cal & .358 cal weights are reasonably heavy for cal but 200 to 220 is heavy for 308 cal, unless you mean a 308 Win for which a 180gn is a heavy bullet, and a heavy 6.5mm(.264) is more a 160gn bullet.SuperCub said:
140gn is the standard big game bullet mass for a 6.5mm, not really all that heavy.
I've had this sort of discussion before couched in different terms.
I think it boils down to momentum versus explosive impact.
In the end you're chasing your tail.
At some point you have to use something big and heavy on certain game and it's a waste & just plain uncomfortable to shoot varmints with a big bore.
You just have a choice as to how close you're willing to get and how much recoil you can take.
And just exactly what is slow these days?
Some people would have you think that slow is under 3000fps with a medium weight bullet for that cal.
I'd have to say I prefer slower as much as is possible since it usually also means less muzzle blast and recoil and hence more accuracy.
It limits your range but then I usually try and keep my shots to under 150yds and that's a luxury some people don't have.
I guess it depends on what jerks you chain....a big hole in the front of your bbl & in your target or something that breaks the sound barrier in 7 dimensions.
The fact that I have more interest in the older non-US cartridges makes a difference too.
Bring on the .303, 9.3x62 & 8x57!
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Smallest I have right now is my 6.5X55.
I like 30's or larger. Big and slow is just fine. All the new stuff did not make the old stuff any weaker. It killed fine in the past, and it still does.
I like 30's or larger. Big and slow is just fine. All the new stuff did not make the old stuff any weaker. It killed fine in the past, and it still does.
kombi1976 said:
You're right about the .308cal, but I use it in a Remington 760 Carbine(18.5") in .308, so it's slow and pretty heavy. I want to try some 200gr Speers in my (new to me) 300H&H.
The .264 is in a 26" .264WinMag, so it's my "fast" rifle. I haven't finished working up a load for it yet, but I will be happy to get 3000fps with a 140gr bullet. I don't think a 160gr RN would be appropriate for that caliber/gun combination, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it in a 6.5x55.
My trouble where I live is that there is VERY limited access to moose hunting, otherwise all my guns would be set up for heavy bullets. The gun I use the most for deer hunting is a 7600 in 35Whelen loaded with 250gr Speers.
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