Big Bore Revolver

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Looking at a large bore handgun. I have a few questions.
1/ In a revolver who makes the best large bore gun - 454 Casull and up.
2/ Has anyone shot the 460 Smith & Wesson (8 1/2" barrel).
3/ Has anyone shot the 480 ruger.
4/ Am I dillusional and should I be looking at the 44 mag instead?

I spend quite a bit of time outdoors in bear country and a rifle/shotgun is not practical. I am eligible to pack a restricted firearm. I am not small at 6' and 240 lbs.

'preciate the input
 
Define "Best"

Single action or Double? Magnum Research makes S/A revolvers in all kinds of crazy calibers, even 45-70, and apparently its heavy enough to make the recoil manageable, if you miss whatever your shooing at, you can beat it to death, but its basically a rifle without a stock. Personally in S/A I like the Freedom arms, they have a .454 Casull and you can shoot 45 colt in it for cheap. If your looking for D/A Smith and Wesson make good looking handguns, and Ruger make ones that are build like tanks. I think I'd skip the 480 Ruger personally, there better calibers out there. My wife shoots a Model 29 44 Mag, its a nice gun. I have no experience with bear stopping power however, just target stopping power, that 500 S&W looks mighty fine, you mentioned an 8 1/2" barrel, I think I'd like a shorter tube to be handier in a life and death situation. Just my 3 cents
 
then there's the ECONOMICS of the thing- typically, 454 brass is way more MONEY than the 44 mag, ( although you can use 45 colts, but they're expensive too) it eats far more powder, and how dead can you kill a piece of paper?- unless you have a wilderness atc, paper is going to be the only opponent
 
The question "What is it for?" begs to be asked. The second question is do you handload?

If the gun is to be used for handgun hunting where that is legal, use the biggest you can shoot well. If the gun is to be carried for defense against dangerous animals as is legal in Canada with an ATC, the gun should be small enough to carry all day without it being a bother while you are working, but should not be so powerful that you cannot fire repeat shots quickly. Conversely it should be powerful enough to produce a large wound cavity and to penetrate deeply. My rule of thumb is the heaviest bullet a cartridge can drive at 1200 fps and I consider the .357 Magnum as the practical minimum. The practical maximum is the limitations of the individual shooter, but I would think the .475 Linebaugh would be close for even the most recoil hardened shooter.

If the gun is to be used solely on the target range, practical considerations barely enter the equation provided you are not engaged in a competition which mandates a type of gun and provided your range does not have a maximum caliber ceiling.

If you are going to shoot a centerfire handgun enough to become proficient, the financial burden is lessened with handloading. The bigger the cartridge, the bigger the saving. Aside from the cost saving, the handloader can produce ammunition that is simply not available from the factory. Although less important to the casual target shooter, this is a huge advantage to those who carry the handgun for hunting or defensive work.

The best quality guns IMHO are S&W and Ruger. Both companies make high quality guns, neither of which require the gun to be sent to a gunsmith to be made useful. What a good pistol-smith can do however is turn a very good gun into a personal masterpiece, with special attention to trigger pull weight, trigger break, and better accuracy with uniformed chamber throats, line boreing, and a Taylor throat, better, more rugged sights, custom grips and grip frames, the possibilities are limitless.
 
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If you are like me you want this thing for stream fishin and bow hunting. you do not want a long barrel and you do not want it to be easy to spot on your belt or otherwise. the new 454 casull taurus is 5" and looks pretty cool. It kicks ass
 
I've shot a 5" 460 plenty. I assume the XVR would be similar. At your stated size, one handing would not even be an issue. With the muzzle and grips, I found it akin to a 29 (.44). Lot's of fun and at the velocities in 460 or 454 Cas, it'll do the job as long as you can keep your eyes open during the shock-wave.
 
I have shot a 5" S&W .460 quite a bit and I don't flinch at the concussive blast any more. I know that it is coming and it won't hurt. My only worry is my hearing. One the range - no problem, well protected but in the bush? I just don't know how I might react after that first shot if I was in a wilderness defensive situation without hearing protection.
 
I just don't know how I might react after that first shot if I was in a wilderness defensive situation without hearing protection.

In a real "fight or die" situation, you wouldn't notice until it was all over, IMO. You'd only wonder why everyone was moving their lips without talking, and who the hell was ringing that god awful bell for so long.

$0.02
 
This gun is to be used for personal defense in heavy grizzly country while bow hunting elk. I hike off the end of chosen road and get into the thick stuff. I do reload. I currently own a Dan Wesson 357 mag but, from what the ballistic tables tell me, it seems pretty light for bear. I have been looking at the S & W 460 as it can shoot 454 casull loads.
 
This gun is to be used for personal defense in heavy grizzly country while bow hunting elk. I hike off the end of chosen road and get into the thick stuff. I do reload. I currently own a Dan Wesson 357 mag but, from what the ballistic tables tell me, it seems pretty light for bear. I have been looking at the S & W 460 as it can shoot 454 casull loads.


MT Chambers has a 195 gr hard cast SWC that works well in most .357's. I worked up a load with H-110 that punches this bullet out of my 6" M-27 at just under 1200 fps without any pressure issues. This is about the best game load you could hope for from this cartridge.

For a defense gun I prefer the single action for a number of reasons, but the first consideration is that with a short barrel (45/8") the gun is physically small, at least compared to large frame double action revolvers. I like the fact that there is no crane to get bent causing misalignment between the cylinder and bore. I like that you can continually load without taking the gun out of action, and I like the way a SA handles heavy recoil.

Checkout the Beartooth Bullets web site. Beartooth manufactures cast bullets will ship to Canada. Camp Cook gets a 400 gr WFN from them that he loads to about 1200 fps in his .454 SRH. At 1200 fps, this bullet would be devastating at close range.
 
I would love to get my hands on a 5in stainless Raging Bull in .454! It's definetelly on my to buy list. Personally I have no interest in the new monster calibers like .500 and .460....
 
Stick to the 44mag

There are plenty of revovlers, big and small, chambered for the very versatile 44Magnum cartridge.
Pack it with factory JHP's in 240 grains and you will do fine. Hornady XTP factory loads in 44mag come to mind.
If you want a little more velocity with a tad bit less recoil, consider the 41Magnum. Also a good choice.
Bigger and faster isn't always better.
 
I have not just looked into but slowly graduated by/from trial and error to what I feel is the best all round wilderness defense handgun/cartridge available today.

The double action Ruger Super Redhawk either in a stock 7.5" barrel and my shortened by Gunnar @ Armco to 4.25" SRH in 454 Casull is as far as I am concerned the handgun/cartridge combo that wins hands down.

The gun is not even remotely as large or heavy as the S&W 460/500's and in my Bob Mernickle holsters or even a cheap Uncle Mike's setup can be carried safely and readily day after day without it wearing me down.

Boomer was close on the load that he mentioned I have/use, my top load for when I am in grizzly country are 405gr Beartooth WLNGC's with Lil-Gun powder that give me in the 7.5" barrel 1420fps and 1330fps in the short gun.

I did reduce the load to 1200fps in the short gun so that I would have better control for practice or if I had to shoot 1 handed...

When I am in black bear country I load 240gr XTP-Mag's @ 1900fps and 300gr XTP-Mag's @ 1600fps in the 7.5" gun and the 240's are doing 1650fps and the 300's are 1500fps in the short gun.

For winter month's when the bears are all snuggled up and I don't worry about them I load up with 45 Colt's and 300gr XTP's @ 1280fps in the short gun. Hardly ever take the long gun out in the winter just don't need that kind of power.

Would prefer my G20 or G29 10mm's for winter carry but our elustrous CFO has decided that I can't anymore.

As a side note you said that you are eligible to apply for a ATC carry permit but you plan on carrying while bow hunting, while this is legal you are pushing the legality of the ATC so posting that this is your plan or telling anyone that this is what your up to would be something I wouldn't recommend.
 
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