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how much longer will the brass last? enough to make up for the huge cost difference in component cost???

Wholesale sports prices:

Winchester .375 H&H (50 count bag) $32 $0.64 EACH

Wby .375wby (20rnd Box) $50. $2.50 EACH
 
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Amphibious said:
how much longer will the brass last? enough to make up for the huge cost difference in component cost???

Wholesale sports prices:

Winchester .375 H&H (50 count bag) $32 $0.64 EACH

Wby .375wby (20rnd Box) $50. $2.50 EACH
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You can fireform the 375 H&H brass in the 375 Weatherby. Just do a search on google.

The 375 H&H is awesome, but the 375 Weatherby gives you all the options Gatehouse stated.
 
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Big fan of the h&h, but also like cast so...
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Amphibious said:
how much longer will the brass last? enough to make up for the huge cost difference in component cost???
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There is no such added cost, unless you are talking about afew more grains of powder per cartridge. You will get about 85 -90 Loads of H&H per pound. You wil get 75-80 rounds for the Weatherby. Not a big difference, especialy if you buy powder in bulk as I do.

You use the same bullets and the same brass.
 
I doubt that fat Wby case feeds as buttery smoooooth as the H&H though. And really, unless you're going after thick-skinned dangerous game, if the H&H can't do it, it doesn't need to be done.
 
Bishopus said:
I doubt that fat Wby case feeds as buttery smoooooth as the H&H though. And really, unless you're going after thick-skinned dangerous game, if the H&H can't do it, it doesn't need to be done.
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Oh really, thats funny my Weatherby feeds excellent.... but I guess you would have to actually own one to know that... :rolleyes:
 
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I doubt that fat Wby case feeds as buttery smoooooth as the H&H though.
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I have owned two 375 Wbys and they both fed like butter. My bud has one built on a Mauser 98, of all things, and it feeds the same.

As far as extra cost, the only difference is about five grains of powder per load. Everything else is the same. Small price to pay for the extra 150 fps. :cool:

Ted
 
What you're all overlooking is that the 375 H&H has the cool factor in spades, where the 375 Wby has none of same. That's the same problem that has plagued the 416 Remington when compared to the only real 416, Mr Rigby's.

If I put my todbartell hat on and dig out the loading manual a moment I see that in the Barnes manual for a 300 gr XFB in both the 375's they list 72 gr of RL15 as a max charge, and also as the recommended powder for both. The Wby velocity is listed as 2588 whereas ther H&H is listed at 2645. Sure, we're arguing about 60 FPS. The 375 Wby isn't listed in my Speer, Hornady or Nosler manuals, and my Sierra manual ended up in long term storage, so I can only parrot from the Barnes.

But I digress...I'd like a 1895 in 45-70.
 
375 H&h vs Wby??? Who cares......same difference!! There's a picture of a 50/90 Sharps on this thread....It'll put them all to shame!
 
I like the 375 H&H personally . yes the 375 has a bit more hp but it doesnt have the romance of the H&H :D . As for cost of a round, unless you are buying factory rounds the cost isnt enough to worry about. If i was to get a one off rifle i think i would go for a round that has or could have some sort of personal signifacance(SP) for you , perhaps stories of hunting buffalos on the plains, or lions in africa that sort of thing.
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Cool factor? Chmaber your rifle in375 AI.

Basiclaly the same as a 375 Weatherby, but you get to brag to your buddies you're using a *WILDCAT*:D

Brass life withthe AI will still out last the H&H, simply becasue of the sloping sides of the H&H. When Holland & Holland designed the cartridge, utilizing a belt like the .400/375 Belted Nitro Express, they werent' thinking about handloaders, they were thinking about easy feeding, easy extraction and low pressure in hot climates.:)

That being said, I wouldn't try to tak anyone *into* getting a rifle chambered in AI or Weahterby, if they are set on the H&H. I was simply arguning that Amphibious's statement that it had ZERO advantage is not true.:)
 
The 375 wby is an excellent round,plus not everyone has one.
It will gain an easy 150-200fps.It may not be much but who cares, isn't that what being a gunnut is about.The 375 ultra mag is also an excellent round,which will gain another 100fps over the wby.If you want a big bore why not just jump up to a 416 and be done with it?
 
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. I was simply arguning that Amphibious's statement that it had ZERO advantage is not true.:)
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I beg to differ. it's all what you consider an advantage ;) I don;t see 200fps in an identical caliber to be any advantage. nor do I see the head spacing off the shoulder, my H&H is plenty accurate enough.

but differnt strokes.... :p
 
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I beg to differ. it's all what you consider an advantage ;) I don;t see 200fps in an identical caliber to be any advantage. nor do I see the head spacing off the shoulder, my H&H is plenty accurate enough.

but differnt strokes.... :p
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That you fail to see the advantages does not make them non-existent.:)
 
Now, I am confused. I have already discussed the merits of the H&H, and I never said that it had ZERO advantages over anythign else, unlike you and your comments about the Weatherby. I see the H*H merits quite clearly.

Your lack of understanding of what I am saying is clear when you posted this:

I don;t see 200fps in an identical caliber to be any advantage. nor do I see the head spacing off the shoulder, my H&H is plenty accurate enough
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The potential for added horsepower can be used in several ways. Yes, you can certainly load a similar weight bullet to higher speeds. Or you can load the same size bullet to the same velocity as the H&H, but because there is more case capacity, there will be less pressure. Finally, you can use a HEAVIER bullet at the SAME velocity as the LIGHTER bullet in the H&H.

Head spacing off the shoudler often gives someone some extra accuracy, but it is mostly about not over working your brass. Most belted cases are set up so that they headspace on the belt, and in thier initial firing, they expand, of course.

At that point you can full length size and work your brass and have it wear out prematurely, or you can partial or neck size it wiht your dies adjusted to headspace on the shoulder, and you get longer brass life.

Tapered cases never seem to have the brass life of straigther sided cases. The 303 is a good example of this, as is the H&H. The AI cases need far less trimming thana taqpered case, too.

Weatherby Advantages:

Higher velocity with same bullets
Lower pressures with same velocities
Heavier bullets at the same velocity
Headspace on the shoudler for longer brass life.
Less trimmming of brass
Can use factory H&H ammo if necessary


H&H Advanages

Historical value
Uses a couple of pennies worth of powder less than the Weatherby or AI.
Factory ammo commopnly available


You may not want any of the added advantages that the Weatherby/AI offer, and that is fine. As I said, I am not selling anyone anyhting. But your statement was that it offered ZERO advantage, because in your narrow way of thinking, extra velocity is not desirable, but added velocity is only one of the attributes of these cartridges, and need not be emplyed if you do not desire it.
 
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I wouldn't call 200fps a huge advantage, but an advantage of any sort is still an advantage.Without those small 150-200fps differences we wouldn't see any cartridge progression.The 308 is about 150fps behind the 30/06,I think the 30/06 is a small inprovement as is the 280rem over the 7mm/08.I don't believe any one said there was a night and day improvement but a small difference.
 
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