Big Bore

Hmmm...looks like i caused a little dissention amongst the ranks by mentioning the 375 WBY...:p s'cuse me while i run outside and grab the grain shovel so i can finish loading up some more 460 Weatherby's..:D
 
Without knowing what other calibers you own I can't give a definite opinion, however the list of "big bores" start at .400 cal.

Best Medium bores:
.35 Whelen
.338WM
.325WSM
9.3x62
9.3x64 Brenneke
.375H&H

Best Big Bores:
.416RM
.416 Rigby
.458WM


I don't think the .45-70 really should be talked about with any of these, since it is a much different caliber IMHO. Much slower, much more a close range proposition. Great caliber though and for your close range bear/moose hunting it will be great.

I have 2 .45-70 Marlins; the 1895GS and the new 1895XLR. I am going to take the 1895XLR with me as a backup gun on my moose hunt this Oct. If the weather is dry, then I intend to use my .416RM.


Also the .458 Lott is a great caliber, if you handload. I've been playing with handloads for mine lately. It's working well for me, actually I am considering whether or not to take it out for moose. I can definitely shoot accurately out to 100 yards with...
 
Demonical said:
Also the .458 Lott is a great caliber, if you handload. I've been playing with handloads for mine lately.
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I agree.......the Lott is probably the BEST 458 Cartridge of the bunch,IMO :cool:
I almost chose it for my 458 project gun but after shooting a 7.5 lb Wentworth in 458 winmag I decided the win was at my upper limits for recoil anyways;)

Another "Project" Rifle I'm dreaming up would be based on a Stainless Marlin 95 action.
Rebarreled and Chambered for the 416 Barnes !
Sure it doesn't do anything the 45-70 won't do.....
But it's WAY COOLER :cool:
 
I have read on the Net. that you can shot .458 Win Mag out of a .458 Lott is this true? If so I think I will go for the .458 Lott in a Ruger #1

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The #1 advantage the H&H has over the Wby is that it feeds and extracts flawlessly, every time, without fail--as an African cartridge this was a primary design requirement. It's not very important for NA hunting, but there it is. That long sloping case is WHY H&H went to a belt--it's the only reason for it. All the 'improved' versions of the cartridge headspace off the shoulder, with the exception of a few straight-case big bores.

And you Wounderby guys need to coooooool out. I'd recommend a brisk drive around the block in your collective Porsches;-) Maybe while you're out you can ask yourself: why don't African guides use, or recommend that their clients use, Weatherby rifles or cartidges?
 
Bishopus said:
Maybe while you're out you can ask yourself: why don't African guides use, or recommend that their clients use, Weatherby rifles or cartidges?
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As if you would know as to what African guides don't recommend... Please post some pics of your last African adventure!!
 
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The #1 advantage the H&H has over the Wby is that it feeds and extracts flawlessly, every time, without fail--as an African cartridge this was a primary design requirement
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I agree that H&H wanted the cartridge to feed flawessly, however, if someone was to suggest that other cartridges will not feed as well, I woud call BS.

Think of all the cartridges based on belted magnums with thier shoulders blown out -300WM, 338WM, 7RM, 416RM etc etc etc.....If someone has a feeding problem, then it's much more liekly to be the rifles fault, than the cartridge.:)

Maybe while you're out you can ask yourself: why don't African guides use, or recommend that their clients use, Weatherby rifles or cartidges?
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I'd also be interested in your source of this information, as well.

I would not be surprised at all if Weatherby Factory ammo has experienced pressure issues in the hot African sun, as they are already pretty hot loaded, and I understand that back int he old days they were REALLY hot loaded!:)

I also wouldn't be surprised if this is a case of "lumping everyone int he same basket" with PH's experieincing alot of clients that don't shoot often, showing up for safari with a brand new Weatherby that simply cannot handle. This can hardly be blamed on the cartridges itself.

It's sure not a feeding issue, due to case shape, that is for sure. Otherwise they woudl be telling everyone to leave thier 300Winchesters 338 WInchesters and 416 Remingtons at home.:rolleyes: '
 
They are all pretty fine cartridges, we should all have one of each.
Most guides will recommend you bring a rifle you know and feel confident with ,regardless of caliber, within reason!
 
grit said:
They are all pretty fine cartridges, we should all have one of each.
Most guides will recommend you bring a rifle you know and feel confident with ,regardless of caliber, within reason!
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I agree,it doesnt matter if it says 375 H H or 416 Rigby,if you dont hit the target the animal is not gonna drop just because it was shot AT by a classic cartridge.
Everybody has there own opinions on cartridges and calibres,i guess that is what makes being in CGN so interesting,we have such a diverse amount of knowledge from members to draw upon. Be it 416 or 375 or 458 Lott i think we can all agree upon one thing....a solid hit with a .22 is better then a loud miss with a .44...:cool:
 
I had a Marlin and I hated the dam thing. I currently own #1's in .375 Holland and holland .405 Winchester and a 45-70. For a truly usefull big bore get the .375, and if you just looking for fun get the .405
 
Bishopus said:
The #1 advantage the H&H has over the Wby is that it feeds and extracts flawlessly, every time, without fail--as an African cartridge this was a primary design requirement. It's not very important for NA hunting, but there it is. That long sloping case is WHY H&H went to a belt--it's the only reason for it. All the 'improved' versions of the cartridge headspace off the shoulder, with the exception of a few straight-case big bores.

And you Wounderby guys need to coooooool out. I'd recommend a brisk drive around the block in your collective Porsches;-) Maybe while you're out you can ask yourself: why don't African guides use, or recommend that their clients use, Weatherby rifles or cartidges?
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if the 375 Weatherby has feeding issues...so do the 300 and 340 Weatherbys....same case and shoulder configuration....my 375 Weatherby fed just fine....

oh,...and Altaboy...how many other #1's do you have?:D
 
"Maybe while you're out you can ask yourself: why don't African guides use, or recommend that their clients use, Weatherby rifles or cartidges?"

I would say cost and high pressure ammo that gets even higher pressure in the heat. And of course, the social/cultural stigma that they've attached to Weatherbys for 5 decades or so. Undeservedly so, I might add. - dan
 
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