Big decision , need help.

Hardhammer said:
Own a Tikka UPR and CZ MTR, accuracy wise they are very much the same but the CZ is easier to modify, overall have a better finish (nice stock)and less plastic part. Recently bought a Anschutz and the CZ will be my back up and the Tikka is going on market
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If i cant find the CZ or Tikka , let me know when you are selling yours .
 
Every time I see threads like these I want to buy a new 22lr bolt to replace my 6+yo Savage TR.
The problem is there is no more room in the cabinet so I would have to sell the TR (not buying another cabinet). For informal plinking off the bench my TR has far exceeded my expectations for the $400 I spent (off the EE).
The 22" fluted barrel, "tactical" wood stock and adjustable trigger work great in my hands. It's also not ammo sensitive to the usual bulk stuff that's available but seems to shoot CCI SV consistently best.
Op....just thought I'd add another option for you to consider.....
 
CZ or Tikka is all you need to get there shooting precision, get an accurate scope as wind corrections are critical, the clicks need to be consistent. The T1X is a great platform, Timney makes a great two stage trigger for it, 80% of the feel you’ll get with an Anschutz which is the best out there, springs are just silly. Test ammo but take your time drilling holes at 50m in no wind, see which one performs the best, then practice in wind. MDT makes the Oryx and XRS chassis for it so you really can’t go wrong. Once you drill holes with either of these you can decide if the 1/4” better group you might get with an Anschutz, Vudoo or RimX is worth the extra $2-3K
 
johNTO said:
Every time I see threads like these I want to buy a new 22lr bolt to replace my 6+yo Savage TR.
The problem is there is no more room in the cabinet so I would have to sell the TR (not buying another cabinet). For informal plinking off the bench my TR has far exceeded my expectations for the $400 I spent (off the EE).
The 22" fluted barrel, "tactical" wood stock and adjustable trigger work great in my hands. It's also not ammo sensitive to the usual bulk stuff that's available but seems to shoot CCI SV consistently best.
Op....just thought I'd add another option for you to consider.....
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I think the rifle i just got ( 3 months ago ) Savage A22 pro varmint has the same barrel and stock .
I would agree that the barrel is pretty damn accurate , for myself ,i think its the semi auto mechanism and stock that's affecting me personally .
Even though its only a .22 rim fire , the action from the bolt sliding back and forth from eject to re rack maybe some of the issue .
The stock , well , like i said , the fitment on the stock i have was truly poor .
After i cut and glued some thin layers of card to the inside of the stock , played around a little with the tension settings on the forward action bolt , it did tighten things up dramatically .
Its getting there but i think a bolt action is in the works for me .
I did take it out bird hunting and limited out on all four occasions so its not all bad but i know i can do better .
 
Kazman1960 said:
So .
I've decided to get myself a new to me .22 LR .
I'm OK with New or Used ( it seems used are going for more than new at the moment though ) .
I've narrowed my choices are these assuming i can find them .
(1) CZ 457 MTR with 20'' barrel . (2)Tikka T1X (3) Ruger american long range target .
If anyone has experience with any or all of these , please feel free to give Pro's and negatives also accuracy wise .
I do lots of shooting and , now that i am retired , i need something cheaper than reloading for centerfire .
Thanks in advance for any comments and help .
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I have the Ruger Long Range Target and have been very happy with it.

It was a tack driver right out of the box. At 100 yards with an ok scope I shoot, at worst, a 2 inch spread and I blame that more on me than the rifle.

As mentioned before ammunition is very important. For myself I find the rifle likes Eley Benchrest Match.

The downer for me is the magazine. I don't mind the 10 rounds but the rotary magazine is a pain to load.

Hope that helps!
 
Hi
Go with CZ 457 with at a 20'' barrel they are accurate. The CZ has the most upgrades available for it'' chassis, triggers, barrels, rails etc''. Look at Tesro builds , they have put together great builds at a reasonable price
Regards George
 
Between the two I would say the CZ just for the fact that it is more upgradable but as mentioned there does not seem to be any MTR in stock anywhere. But if it was me, just saying, I would save up a bit more and pony up for one of the heavy barrel Anschutz 1761 models.
 
Kazman1960 said:
I think the rifle i just got ( 3 months ago ) Savage A22 pro varmint has the same barrel and stock .
I would agree that the barrel is pretty damn accurate , for myself ,i think its the semi auto mechanism and stock that's affecting me personally .
Even though its only a .22 rim fire , the action from the bolt sliding back and forth from eject to re rack maybe some of the issue .
The stock , well , like i said , the fitment on the stock i have was truly poor .
After i cut and glued some thin layers of card to the inside of the stock , played around a little with the tension settings on the forward action bolt , it did tighten things up dramatically .
Its getting there but i think a bolt action is in the works for me .
I did take it out bird hunting and limited out on all four occasions so its not all bad but i know i can do better .
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I had the Savage 64 TR SR and while had the same barrel as my MK2. It wasn't as near accurate. I see why people start with MK2, because can be had for under 250. The pr9 varmit stock is a comfortable stock. I have one on my 1022.

But took me awhile before buying an Anschutz and I wish I did earlier. But it's entry level and comparable to a CZ. Sad thing is I cannot upgrade the stock on my 64 Anschutz. MDT discontinued them. But not sure why they wasted money on making stocks for savage 64s.
 
Looking at/holding a 457 and a Tikka I think most people would pick the CZ. I still haven't done much load testing with my 457 because I prefer shooting my T1x far more. I think they're both fine rifles, and you'd be well served by either one provided they have full-length barrels. My experience is with the 20" Tikka.

My suggestion would be the Tikka

As for Anschutz-I think if you were a dedicated paper-puncher and were prepared to feed it good ammo all the time....you'll probably be happy with that decision. If you buy a 64 (on sale @ Nordic right now?) and think it'll shoot CCI ammo better than a CZ or a Tikka, I'd want to be prepared for disappointment there. In my personal experience, CZs/Tikkas will shoot well with most things and can really surprise you with good ammo or even cheap ammo it likes. My experience with 64s is that they start doing their part when the ammo is to their liking...and usually on the better end of the spectrum.
 
PMGers said:
Great questions. From the list of your three choices my pick (and seemingly the most popular) would be the CV 457 Varmint MTR. I am in the same stage of decision as you are. That said, I am leaning to a Bergara B14R 22LR platform. You can buy just the Bergara barrelled action. It's based on the Remington 700 so there are lots of upgrades and extras available. The B14R comes with a stock/chassis that has an aluminum internal frame surrounded by the polymer. I have swayed back and forth between this set up and the CZ457 for sometime now. I think the CZ is a great platform from the research I have done. I feel I would be very happy with that choice myself.

So, sometime in the last couple of days I stumbled across a CZ457 Varmint MTR in stock somewhere online. I went back through my history but can't find the site. I am left handed so, unfortunately, that stock is not really set up for me grip wise. Best of luck on your search and decision making. I feel your "pain" :LOL:.

Also, never mind the troll. I wish this site allowed a complete block of a member rather than just "ignore". It's unfortunate that some people are so sad with themselves that they feel the need to try to bring a fight with everyone. When someone tries to do this over a post on a community forum it really speaks volumes for their character. In the end, they are just another username on my ignore list! ;)
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I found the precision rimfire community has alot of these A hole elite, that give bad taste to alot. Sure they can shoot great but they lack personal skills and are un welcoming. Its either buy this or F off.
 
PMGers said:
Great questions. From the list of your three choices my pick (and seemingly the most popular) would be the CV 457 Varmint MTR. I am in the same stage of decision as you are. That said, I am leaning to a Bergara B14R 22LR platform. You can buy just the Bergara barrelled action. It's based on the Remington 700 so there are lots of upgrades and extras available. The B14R comes with a stock/chassis that has an aluminum internal frame surrounded by the polymer. I have swayed back and forth between this set up and the CZ457 for sometime now. I think the CZ is a great platform from the research I have done. I feel I would be very happy with that choice myself.

So, sometime in the last couple of days I stumbled across a CZ457 Varmint MTR in stock somewhere online. I went back through my history but can't find the site. I am left handed so, unfortunately, that stock is not really set up for me grip wise. Best of luck on your search and decision making. I feel your "pain" :LOL:.

Also, never mind the troll. I wish this site allowed a complete block of a member rather than just "ignore". It's unfortunate that some people are so sad with themselves that they feel the need to try to bring a fight with everyone. When someone tries to do this over a post on a community forum it really speaks volumes for their character. In the end, they are just another username on my ignore list! ;)
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Hey , i did see a left handed one , let me see if i can remember and ill forward you the info . Not promising anything though lol
 
Jefferson said:
we would be those who wish to comment or might be in the know for information specific to further information from the OP
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Plenty of info in the OP to comment in a helpful way.

We’re talking 22 here and the options offered are pretty clearly target/bench oriented.

Not to be rude but If u don’t have enough info to provide any help you could always “go away”.
 
Just to add a wrinkle of nuance.

I own the 16” barrel version of the cz.

It is noticeably faster than my friends gun who has the same but in 20” (About 80-100fps). He has the wood stock MTR. Mine came in the MDT XRS.

Generally, the consensus is u should shoot subsonic in 22 for accuracy because the round doesnt go “transonic” in flight. At least at normal target ranges.

There is much debate on this.

In my experience, my 16” barrel will shoot most “match grade” ammo a titch over the sound barrier and about 50-60fps over the box data which is usually 1050-1080 which is subsonic. Mine start at 1120-1170 which means they are definitely transonic by the time they get to 50yards.

All that said, either me or my gun barrel outshoots my friends MTR pretty consistently. My guess is chamber.
 
I'll give another vote for the Tikka. Can't say enough good things about mine. The user adjustable trigger is great right from the factory, I've had no trouble at all keeping pace, and often exceeding, my friends with their CZ's and Begara's. I even purchased a so called 'better' 22lr bolt gun for myself a few years ago but it wasn't any better accuracy wise. I sold that and kept rolling with the Tikka. There is plenty of aftermarket support for the Tikka too.

That being said I don't think you can go wrong with either CZ or the Tikka. I've shot the CZ's a number of times and have had no complaints.
You are choosing between two of the best options for an all round bolt action 22.
 
Tikka or CZ would be awesome, like everyone has said. I would consider next what stock you want and barrel length - cz has generally more factory options... if you can find them in stock!

Hard to recommend a specific CZ model... but for general purpose range, gophers, and grouse - for use with a scope and not breaking the bank, I would consider a CZ Varmint. The one with the wooden stock, varmint barrel, and no match chamber. I own the MTR Match and is really nice, but is a little heavy to drag around hunting and doesn't work well with some cheap ammo. Also have a 452 lux for hunting and plinking, but I shoot it with iron sights and the geometry of the stock is not ideal for a scope.

Edit: Sorry, didn't read your post not sure why I figured you wanted to hunt with it. I would still go for the regular Varmint if you cannot find an MTR or LRP or XRS 457. I have read that the accuracy can still be as good as the others, but have not owned one. Nice thing with the Tikka and the CZ is you have many choices to upgrade all parts in the future if you wanna move into a chassis or whatever. I also would not be afraid of a shorter barrel if you are not doing positional shooting. No accuracy loss with a shorter barrel and you will even get a touch more velocity.
 
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