Big Dilemma ** Trolling Thread **

[AP]

The 270 offers no advantages over the 280 and several disadvantages. I didn't read many of the previous posts, but much of that was probably already mentioned.

That said, if I ever rechamber my Mauser M98 in 7X57 (doubtful), it will be to 284 Win so that I can seat the heavy bullets well out of the case.

1) .270W can be used in places in Southern Ontario where the .280 cannot
2) Everyone that sells centre fire rifle ammunition carries .270W .... not so much the .280 Rem
3) Very few manufacturers exist that do not chamber in .270W ... .280Rem ... not so much
4) Lots of cheap brass
5) 160gr Nosler Partition in .270W is a pretty potent performer.... if you have tried it.
6) .270W rifles are generally very accurate - and most people can shoot them well.
7) If you have a .270W nothing else is needed until the next useful step up - which is the .375 H&H

 

[SuperCub]

1) .270W can be used in places in Southern Ontario where the .280 cannot
2) Everyone that sells centre fire rifle ammunition carries .270W .... not so much the .280 Rem
3) Very few manufacturers exist that do not chamber in .270W ... .280Rem ... not so much
4) Lots of cheap brass
5) 160gr Nosler Partition in .270W is a pretty potent performer.... if you have tried it.
6) .270W rifles are generally very accurate - and most people can shoot them well.
7) If you have a .270W nothing else is needed until the next useful step up - which is the .375 H&H

All very good points in reply.

 

[SuperCub]

The fact that you have 300+ rounds of 280 brass would send my out for a new set of dies. (I don't trust used)

New Lee Collet dies came in this week. Need a FLR set now. Might try a set of Forster.

 

[beretta boy]

Atta boy !

Don't take exception with any of AP's observations other than

1) Your in NB, not Ontario, and you already have a 257 Bob for deer.
2) Who cares you're handloading with adequate brass on hand.
3) Again, so what ... you're handloading. Remington still makes brass & there's lots of .284 bullets to choose from.
4) You've already got lots of brass. If ever it happens, (can't finy any 280 brass ) it's easy to fireform 270 brass to 280.
5) The 160 gr. & 175 gr. Noslers are both potent performers too !
6) Lots of accurate 280's & 280AI's as well ...
7) If you have a 280, a 35 Whelen is the next logical step ... you don't have any belted cartridges, so why start ?

AP's observatios are all good ... but none are overwhelmingly convincing.

 

[SuperCub]

3) Again, so what ... you're handloading. Remington still makes brass & there's lots of .284 bullets to choose from.

AFAIK ...... WW & Remington are no longer offering brass for handloading. Supplies are almost dried up but I was able to scrounge up a very good supply for the 280, 257R and 35 Whelen from the US and have them sent to my PO box in Maine. That is where all the 280 came from and there should be another 100pcs on the way. The Nosler/Hornady/Norma option is quite expensive. The days of cheap brass are long gone.

7) If you have a 280, a 35 Whelen is the next logical step ... you don't have any belted cartridges, so why start ?

I have a 35Whelen project that is finished should be here next week. (23" Lilja 1:12" SS factory sporter contour bbl on a 700 action in a Brown Precision stock) That project has been in the works for almost a year now after the 375Magnum was sold. The 280 is a more recent development but will finish faster given the factory bbl is already in hand.

Never say never, but I don't think I will be having any more belted cartridges in the future.

 

[beretta boy]

..... WW & Remington are no longer offering brass for handloading. ....

Not familiar with "AFAIK" ... and did not know WW & Remington were no longer offering brass for handloading ! Just goes to show you I haven't bought any new brass for at least 3 years now. It's not safe to assume anything anymore ... apparently.

WW still has brass listed on their website ... including 280 ! Whether or not you can get your hands on some is another question altogether. Remington's response was
" for now " ... but no firm commitment as to when brass may again be available. Their website still shows some small calibre brass available .17 Fireball & 17 Remington up through & including 220 Swift ... but nothing larger. ( again," for now" ) Who knows ?

Either way, you're pretty well supplied ! I made the same decision on belted catridges about 10 years ago & the days of cheap anything are gone for sure.
Loved it back in the day when bulk powder (H-4831, or something very close to it) was a buck a pound, bring your own container. The cost of lead & powder nowdays has
put shotshell loading as being a non-entity unless you're loading for 28 & 410 ... and that's still not cheap !



 

[hoytcanon]

Not familiar with "AFAIK" ... and did not know WW & Remington were no longer offering brass for handloading !


AFAIK = As Far As I Know

WW and R-P have "temporarily" suspended consumer production of brass, to catch up to the demand for manufactured ammunition.

 

[beretta boy]

AFAIK ... got it, Thanks ! Another one to add to the list.

WW & R-P have likely been sitting on their duffs for a while now and have got caught up to. Temporary, I hope.
Maybe now some of the harder to find factory stuff will now be run again.

 

[Slickshooter]

280 all the way!

 

[Why not?]

Okay, just a quick comment here. Both my wife and I have used the 270 Win since 1962, and the 280 Rem since the mid eighties on big game. Handloaded to highest performance levels, 150s at 3000 and 160s at over 2900fps in the 270, and 160s at 2800 and 175s at over 2600, they perform as you would expect with good bullets such as partitions.

On moose, caribou, sheep, and bears, they are the same, however it seems the 270s were always a bit more accurate.

The longest shot I ever made on big game, a huge 70 inch AK-Yukon bull moose was over 700 paces across open country, so probably 600 yards. A single shot with a 130 gr launched at over 3100 fps ahead of a stomach full of the old surplus H4831 did the trick.

The longest shot I ever made on sheep was a bit closer, probably 500 yd. This time it was a single 150 gr partition going 3000 from a Husqvarna 4100 rebarreled to 280 Remington.

Take your pick and go hunting, but don't ever think the 270 is not enough gun. Doug will remember our mutual friend, Harold, who regularly bumped into grizzlies on sheep and caribou hunts, and discovered he never needed a bigger gun.

Ted

 

[SuperCub]

The last pc came in this week for the project. It was a very generous donation by Douglas to complete the list of parts needed but I had to promise that it would go on a 280 and forego the 270 option. As I was headed in the 280 direction anyways, this was a easy bargain to make and very much appreciate his contribution.

Will try to box it all up this week and get it out. Pics will follow.

 

[chuck nelson]

Okay, just a quick comment here. Both my wife and I have used the 270 Win since 1962, and the 280 Rem since the mid eighties on big game. Handloaded to highest performance levels, 150s at 3000 and 160s at over 2900fps in the 270, and 160s at 2800 and 175s at over 2600, they perform as you would expect with good bullets such as partitions.

On moose, caribou, sheep, and bears, they are the same, however it seems the 270s were always a bit more accurate.

The longest shot I ever made on big game, a huge 70 inch AK-Yukon bull moose was over 700 paces across open country, so probably 600 yards. A single shot with a 130 gr launched at over 3100 fps ahead of a stomach full of the old surplus H4831 did the trick.

The longest shot I ever made on sheep was a bit closer, probably 500 yd. This time it was a single 150 gr partition going 3000 from a Husqvarna 4100 rebarreled to 280 Remington.

Take your pick and go hunting, but don't ever think the 270 is not enough gun. Doug will remember our mutual friend, Harold, who regularly bumped into grizzlies on sheep and caribou hunts, and discovered he never needed a bigger gun.

Ted

This needs to be a sticky. Well said.

 

[SuperCub]

This needs to be a sticky. Well said.

There seems to be a lot of interweb animosity towards the 270 these days, but I don't think it's founded on anything other than that it's a very common chamber that should be shunned in order to shoot something that's a bit different and cool.

 

[hoytcanon]

There seems to be a lot of interweb animosity towards the 270 these days, but I don't think it's founded on anything other than that it's a very common chamber that should be shunned in order to shoot something that's a bit different and cool.

It is an insidious infection... it causes fella's with perfectly good .270 barrels, to relegate them to propping up tomatoe plants while they chase their tails and magical .280 barrels sprinkled with "DRT" pixie dust... it's sad really...

 

[Westward1]

There seems to be a lot of interweb animosity towards the 270 these days, but I don't think it's founded on anything other than that it's a very common chamber that should be shunned in order to shoot something that's a bit different and cool.

I think you are correct.