Bill c21 shotgun issue?

Not everyone is a single issue voter. For many, guns are just another piece of sporting equipment, not much different from a set of golf clubs or a hockey stick. For others, guns are important but just not THE ONLY thing that is important.

I hold my nose and vote CPC because 1) guns are important to me beyond just the sporting aspect, and 2) Trudeau is a corrupt piece of #### that needs to go... But if there was an electable alternative to both of these parties that actually had meaningful plans to address things like the growing wealth inequality in this country, the housing crisis, the gang problem, the growing homeless population, the need for more funding for the education and healthcare systems, then I would have to seriously consider them. Luckily for the CPC we live in a country that only has two electable parties, and the current Liberal Regime has shown themselves to be unfit to lead.

Name a single other issue that justifies voting Left. Even one.

They are wrong on everything.
 
So name one.

I already listed a bunch - addressing the growing wealth inequality in this country, dealing with the housing crisis, coming up with novel ideas to address the gang problem, addressing the growing homeless population, the need for more funding for the education and healthcare systems. Real action on Climate Change. Real action on poverty, which is a major contributing factor to the gun violence issues we have in this country...
 
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I already listed a bunch - addressing the growing wealth inequality in this country, dealing with the housing crisis, coming up with novel ideas to address the gang problem, addressing the growing homeless population, the need for more funding for the education and healthcare systems. Real action on Climate Change. Real action on poverty, which is a major contributing factor to the gun violence issues we have in this country...

Those are things that we should all be able to agree need addressing. My point is that the solutions offered by the Left are universally wrong and if they don't make the problem worse, they create some new problem. If I understand you correctly, you have concerns about a number of issues that, IMHO all Canadians should have concerns about. The key is what to do.

I'm not a single issue voter either, although I consider gun and property rights the canary in the coal mine. The problem, IMHO, with the CPC is the party typically doesn't have the courage of it's convictions. It's afraid of it's own conservative shadow. Tricked into that fear by constant denigration of the Right's ideals and concepts by the Left and the MSM. Which is shockingly effective, given the abject failure of every Leftist shibboleth tried in the last 100 years around the world.

So I ask again, please give me an example where the Left's SOLUTION to a problem has been effective.
 
Name a single other issue that justifies voting Left. Even one.

They are wrong on everything.

Changing the old age to 67 that time was HUGE and a lot of CPC voted liberal that election yes me included for my first and only time
Ya vote CPC and starve 2 years with no money from 65-67 NOT
That one thing cost them that election
There are more important issues to people even gun owners than guns
The liberals solution putting it back to 65 was pretty dam effective
 
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CERB kept millions of Canadians from defaulting on their mortgage, missing their rent payments, or destroying their credit.

Is that a regular policy put forward by the Left? Is it one regularly denounced by the Right? No to both. That was a one time, never seen anything like it response by the current ruling party to a less than once in a lifetime event. And you have no idea what the Right would have done is faced by the same problem.

What can be agreed upon is the Canadian Left leaning government response to the financial impact of the Covid pandemic and lockdowns was to wildly outspend every other first world country impacted by the same types of things, handing billions to those who neither deserved or needed it thereby contributing to deficits far larger than they needed to be and now we have the resultant inflation which they are still lying about how bad it is.

Try something like immigration, foreign policy, deficit spending, growing intrusion of the state into our lives, growing the bureaucracy, health care, provincial rights, education.......
 
Changing the old age to 67 that time was HUGE and a lot of CPC voted liberal that election yes me included for my first and only time
Ya vote CPC and starve 2 years with no money from 65-67 NOT
That one thing cost them that election
There are more important issues to people even gun owners than guns
The liberals solution putting it back to 65 was pretty dam effective

What a ridiculous example. The age limit should be raised. We don't have the money. If you are staving for those two years, that's your own fault. Get a job.

Just another example of selfish boomers (at 64 I'm a Boomer) kicking the can down the road.
 
Is that a regular policy put forward by the Left? Is it one regularly denounced by the Right?

Yes, helping people when they are in need is a pretty consistent policy of the Left. And The Right consistently denounces such policies as "handouts"... All the while, they give handouts to the rich and powerful all the time in the form of corporate tax cuts, tax incentives, bailouts, etc etc. Then they claim it'll trickle down, which 50 years of evidence - corporate taxes have only gone down since the 70s in Canada - has proven doesn't happen.

And CERB is not a significant source of inflation, if it was then our inflation would be much higher than comparable western countries which simply isn't the case - The US gave far less money to their citizens, yet their inflation numbers are HIGHER than ours. The UK also has higher inflation than us. Its almost like most western countries are seeing high inflation and Canada is not at all unique in this...
 
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Yes, helping people when they are in need is a pretty consistent policy of the Left. And The Right consistently denounces such policies as "handouts"... All the while, they give handouts to the rich and powerful all the time in the form of corporate tax cuts, tax incentives, bailouts, etc etc. Then they claim it'll trickle down, which 50 years of evidence - corporate taxes have only gone down since the 70s in Canada - has proven doesn't happen.
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What a bunch of Leftist talking point horse$hit! The WORST for corporate handouts are the Liberals. And the Left don't want to just give subsidies to corporations......they'd actually like to take them over.

Leftism is the policies and politics of jealousy. The idea that the Right DOESN'T WANT TO HELP THOSE IN NEED is just pure crap. What the Right doesn't want to do is help those who don't need it.

Corporate taxes have only gone down? Liberals in charge of 41 of the 58 years since Pearson (a left leaning Liberal for the time). If you want to blame someone for reducing corporate taxes over the last 60 years....don't look at the Right.

What the Right wants to do, economically, is remove the roadblocks and shackles that impede business success. That creates jobs, increases the tax base. Provides real money not just in the hands of the employed but also in the hands of government so government actually has the money to help those who really do need help.Trump's policies encourage businesses and suddenly the US had historic low unemployment for everyone, but especially in the Black and Hispanic communities. The Left would rather those people were dependent on government largess.

The two Conservative goverments of the last 60 years, Mulroney and Harper, spent a significant amount of time just trying to undo the economic havoc created by previous Liberal governments. I don't say this often about Liberals but Jean Chretien's government thankfully used the strong economic position left to him by Mulroney and actually got rid of the deficit. Trudeau 1 and 2 have wreaked havoc on our country by wildly spending beyond our means while at the same time stifling economic growth.

What the Right doesn't want to do is remove the incentive to try. Take a look at how well the Left's ideas of helping those in need have turned out for Blacks in the US and Natives in Canada. Both $hitshows that are getting worse, not better.

Take a look at how well equalization (a form of welfare) has turned out for Atlantic Canada, Quebec and Manitoba.
 
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What a ridiculous example. The age limit should be raised. We don't have the money. If you are staving for those two years, that's your own fault. Get a job.

Just another example of selfish boomers (at 64 I'm a Boomer) kicking the can down the road.

ya right retired when this happened and all finances set for old age at 65 and I should get a job again because of the idiots in the PC party
Ridiculous because you have no answer for it you asked for one and this was a big one for sr gun owners
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And CERB is not a significant source of inflation, if it was then our inflation would be much higher than comparable western countries which simply isn't the case - The US gave far less money to their citizens, yet their inflation numbers are HIGHER than ours. The UK also has higher inflation than us. Its almost like most western countries are seeing high inflation and Canada is not at all unique in this...

Sorry but to pretend that two years in a row of 400 billion dollar deficits when we used to anguish over a 30 billion deficit didn't impact inflation is just Leftist La La thinking.
 
ya right retired when this happened and all finances set for old age at 65 and I should get a job again because of the idiots in the PC party
Ridiculous because you have no answer for it you asked for one and this was a big one for sr gun owners
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I answered. It is bad policy enacted to win votes from selfish boomers. And yes, you should have gotten a job if your finances couldn't handle it. Or sell some of your precious Wingmasters you've made so much money off of. Why should some 20 something pay for you when you could well afford it.

You are infected by OPM syndrome. Other People's Money. Like I said, the Left is the politics of envy. "That guy has more than me so we are just going to take it, at the barrel of a gun".
 
I answered. It is bad policy enacted to win votes from selfish boomers. And yes, you should have gotten a job if your finances couldn't handle it. Or sell some of your precious Wingmasters you've made so much money off of. Why should some 20 something pay for you when you could well afford it.

You are infected by OPM syndrome. Other People's Money. Like I said, the Left is the politics of envy. "That guy has more than me so we are just going to take it, at the barrel of a gun".
Maritime liberals Canvasback…….they love the handouts because they produce no economic value in the country.

“I don’t have money and I should get a job again?!?”


Ummm yah! Lol.
 
Maritime liberals Canvasback…….they love the handouts because they produce no economic value in the country.

“I don’t have money and I should get a job again?!?”


Ummm yah! Lol.

Ya from the guy that doesn't even have balls enough to post what part of this country they live in and been here since 2006 with 4 posts in the last month PRICELESS
No handouts here
 
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I answered. It is bad policy enacted to win votes from selfish boomers. And yes, you should have gotten a job if your finances couldn't handle it. Or sell some of your precious Wingmasters you've made so much money off of. Why should some 20 something pay for you when you could well afford it.

You are infected by OPM syndrome. Other People's Money. Like I said, the Left is the politics of envy. "That guy has more than me so we are just going to take it, at the barrel of a gun".

Sure you did. I earned my pension and no IDIOTIC PC government was going to take it and paid more in tax 30 years ago than some 20 something pays today
I pay my own way
You have a syndrome also but I don't want to be banned and quote it
Time to move on from this foolishness and yes my wingmasters are precious especially now with remington gone and NOT for sale at least you grasped that
 
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