PitBull1973
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Bi-pod and rear bunny bag.
Bipod/bags/led sled? For development??
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Purple shoulder
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I use "The rock JR" and love it. It's not huge but still nice and solid.
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
Couldn't the way or how you shoot cause poor accuracy? Shouldn't this cause be ruled out?
For load development I use the bench rest to get the most consistent and stable shooting position. Then shooting position is ruled out as a possible contributor to poor accuracy. I try various bullet and powder charge combinations until I get the tightest group. That load will be my hunting load.
All possible causes of poor accuracy are ruled out - inaccurate load, operator skill, shooting position, optics, trigger, bedding, action, barrel, etc.
Then I practice off-hand shooting with my hunting load to ensure I can keep all shots well within a 6" diameter target at 100 and 200 meters. If I'm going to take a long shot on game I will look for a makeshift rest to use and ensure I place the forend on the rest to simulate bench rest shooting.
BrotherRockeye
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For me it depends where I'm shooting. The 100yd only range from the saddle shop has a shelf through the window and I usually use the rest there.
From the table at the outside range I usually use bags.
I have options there too. fence posts, trees, trucks, tractors...real world shooting rests
a piece of high density foam like computers are shipped in, placed behind the butt in the cradle will fix that. I jiggled a 3200 in 6 rounds of 7RM early on. I decided to put a piece of foam in the lead sled and haven't had an issue since.
From the table at the outside range I usually use bags.
I have options there too. fence posts, trees, trucks, tractors...real world shooting rests
a piece of high density foam like computers are shipped in, placed behind the butt in the cradle will fix that. I jiggled a 3200 in 6 rounds of 7RM early on. I decided to put a piece of foam in the lead sled and haven't had an issue since.
Mystic Precision
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For peak accuracy, a rifle should recoil smoothly and properly - not held in place. The key is to be consistent and repeatable. Here better skipods or pedestal rests with proper front and rear bags will go a long ways to helping you with the most consistency possible.
I would not recommend a lead sled if precision shooting is the goal. Even a stack of sand bags at the front and a rear bag will be more consistent.
Hope this helps.
Jerry
move your front rest back to 4 different positions on the stock and shoot a group at each spot, it changes the harmonics and will change the group, if you do your load development with the end of the fore stock on the front bag and then hold under the magazine well when shooting off hand you can pretty much throw your load development out
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
By how much? Enough to make a difference not to be within the kill zone of an Elk at 300 meters, for example?
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lol ^^^ this to me is the quote of the day. Nice!
I get what you are saying...nothing to dispute and hope to get there some day YoDave. Right now I'm not where I want to be as a shooter. An adjustable front rest and good results are very likely indicative that I myself am providing the error when accuracy suffers. I've got to improve my technique and a rest just clears my head of other variables while shooting.
...of course the shots at the range are never quite the same in hunting.
Regards
Ronr
when shooting unsupported or changing the support everyone will shoot different, this is where practice at the range pays off, you'll know the answers for both you and your rifle, it's not just the point of impact that can and will move but also the group size.....try shooting different positions and holds and watch what happens on your target......
ever see those guys at the range sighting their rifles in before hunting and they hang their off hand ontop of the barrel is if to try and keep the gun from jumping up.....you'll learn to giggle when you know what it does to the point of impact....try it
I do it both ways(bags/Harris and lead sled) and find that using the lead sled, without any weight, a better way to quickly find the workable OCW loads that interest me.
I then take those few potential loads either side of the good nodes, narrow them down based on vertical, reload those and reshoot over bags or Harris to narrow further, then load the middle.
If I am doing a ladder I do basically the same but choose the least vertical AND best velocity within pressure signs and try those over bag and bipod to narrow further.
As long as you get the right tune, does it matter how you got it?
I then take those few potential loads either side of the good nodes, narrow them down based on vertical, reload those and reshoot over bags or Harris to narrow further, then load the middle.
If I am doing a ladder I do basically the same but choose the least vertical AND best velocity within pressure signs and try those over bag and bipod to narrow further.
As long as you get the right tune, does it matter how you got it?
Couldn't the way or how you shoot cause poor accuracy? Shouldn't this cause be ruled out?
For load development I use the bench rest to get the most consistent and stable shooting position. Then shooting position is ruled out as a possible contributor to poor accuracy. I try various bullet and powder charge combinations until I get the tightest group. That load will be my hunting load.
All possible causes of poor accuracy are ruled out - inaccurate load, operator skill, shooting position, optics, trigger, bedding, action, barrel, etc.
Then I practice off-hand shooting with my hunting load to ensure I can keep all shots well within a 6" diameter target at 100 and 200 meters. If I'm going to take a long shot on game I will look for a makeshift rest to use and ensure I place the forend on the rest to simulate bench rest shooting.
Best answer of the afternoon.....LOL
I found a cool piece of Kit at P&D a while ago. A dense piece of foam with stock cut outs on 4 sides of a rectangle. Thing is called a MaxBox. I have had mine for a while and happen to have it in the truck this year during deer season and decided I would give it a go in the field. I'm here to tell you I loved the stability it offered me while using it hunting. Super light weight and super steady for me, Less than a $100..... FS
Yes, i understand what you are saying, but you didn't address my question. Wouldn't a properly bedded action and free floated barrel largely eliminate this issue? I know if the forearm is flexing/touching the barrel, or its a full stock milsurp ect then your spot on, but my understanding was this is one of the big reasons for free floating barrels when bedding?
hometownhero
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Yup. Pretty good. I've had mine for 3-4 years now.
- Location
- In the shadows of the Rockies
Once I get a hunting load developed and my rifle sighted in I practice off-hand shooting. For example my 22 Hornet is sighted in 2" high at 100 meters using the bench rest and does sub MOA groups consistently. Here's a 10 shot group done off-hand at 100 meters.
I don't find the impact point to be way off but of course group size is larger because I'm not using a solid rest.
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I have a varmint master I bought around 25 years ago or so (similar to a lead sled), used that for years. Also have BR bags (most stable), and numerous rifles with bipods. Depending on the recoil of the rifle, I will use the bags or VM for load development. Once I have a mechanically accurate load, I switch to various positions and offhand/bipod. I figure any sloppiness at that point is going to be me. - dan
Yes,I was specifically talking load development,and target shooting. 100 -500 yards.
Offhand... that's a different cat I've never used a bipod or rests for hunting,then again,I've only shot two moose. Both,well under a 100 yards.
Moose are a dime a dozen,where I live,so this year I plan on looking for a diff area,where I can shoot one at a greater distance.
Offhand... that's a different cat
I've never used a bipod or rests for hunting,then again,I've only shot two moose. Both,well under a 100 yards.Moose are a dime a dozen,where I live,so this year I plan on looking for a diff area,where I can shoot one at a greater distance.
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Mystic Precision
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