Pudelpointer said:
A 180 grain bullet started at 2600 fps -a fairly modest velocity for the 30-06/180 grain load - retains ~2300 ft/lbs of energy @ 100 yards, well above the minimum 2000 ft/lb requirement.
Bison
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A 180 grain bullet started at 2600 fps -a fairly modest velocity for the 30-06/180 grain load - retains ~2300 ft/lbs of energy @ 100 yards, well above the minimum 2000 ft/lb requirement.
Pudelpointer
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- Lethbridge, Alberta
Thanks Boo!
I remember when that regulation first came out, I thought there was a statement about a 300 win mag and 180 grain bullet, blah, blah...... Maybe that is where the misinformation started.
I remember when that regulation first came out, I thought there was a statement about a 300 win mag and 180 grain bullet, blah, blah...... Maybe that is where the misinformation started.
death-junky
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- Moose Jaw SK
yupers! But stick with some 180 gr bullets and premieum ammo!
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Riley
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In fact, the 7x57 with a handloaded 175 grain bullet at 2300+ meets the criteria quite well, and I have personally seen a Bison taken with just this combination at about 140 yards. One shot, too. Bottom third of the chest cavity, close in to the front knee, and it's all over but the "high fives" and the hard work. I have shot a couple of Bison (not farm raised ones either!) and they are not that difficult to kill with a well placed shot. Mind you, I have yet to see a bullet resistant, moose, elk, bear,________...you fill in the blank 
Regards, Eagleye
Regards, Eagleye
ROY-alty33
Regular
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- Not quite beyond Hope, but close
just thinking to myself
AND THATS WHY THERE AINT THAT MANY OF THEM AROUND
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- WINNIPEG.MANITOBA CANADA
What the %##$#.
i had to say something.we have a few hundred buffs on our farm and sell ,kill, butcher our own.We shoot with the old 30-30.knocks them down evry time.we had a guy buy one and wanted to shoot it him self, he brings a 300 weatherby, very good gun ,and i love magnums too , but 2 head shots and good ones,there was smoke coming out of his head.he just stood there shook it off, my old man had to finish it off with the 30-30. know thats wil to survive.
i had to say something.we have a few hundred buffs on our farm and sell ,kill, butcher our own.We shoot with the old 30-30.knocks them down evry time.we had a guy buy one and wanted to shoot it him self, he brings a 300 weatherby, very good gun ,and i love magnums too , but 2 head shots and good ones,there was smoke coming out of his head.he just stood there shook it off, my old man had to finish it off with the 30-30. know thats wil to survive.
BUTCHJESSOP said:
There is a huge difference between shooting a bison in a pen and shooting a wild one. While I don't question that a 30-30 will kill a unalarmed bison at 30 feet I don't think it is a great choice for wild bison taken at 150 - 250 yards.
BTW, We shoot domestic cattle using a .40 grain solid point .22 rimfire. Does that make it a good hunting round for wild bison?
- Location
- Vancouver Island BC
bison hunting
An 06 would do with heavy bullets, but I would use something a bit heavier.
A 420 grain cast out of my Marlin Guide gun would go further in the cool factor too.
An 06 would do with heavy bullets, but I would use something a bit heavier.
A 420 grain cast out of my Marlin Guide gun would go further in the cool factor too.
"...How close ballistically do you guys consider the .308 and the 30-06?..." They're ballistically identical. That was the whole point of the .308. To take advantage of the then new powders in a shorter case, but have the same ballistics as the .30-06.
[QUOTE='Boo]There is a huge difference between shooting a bison in a pen and shooting a wild one. While I don't question that a 30-30 will kill a unalarmed bison at 30 feet I don't think it is a great choice for wild bison taken at 150 - 250 yards.
BTW, We shoot domestic cattle using a .40 grain solid point .22 rimfire. Does that make it a good hunting round for wild bison?[/QUOTE]
how big of a difference? you mean to say that a farm raised Bison may have less will to live than a wild one? Im sorry Boo, but that doesnt jive buddy.
Millions were killed with less energy than a 30-30 at distances beyond this for the last 400 odd years... I dont think anything has changed in they're anatomy since the introduction of the 30-06, (or 375 H&H for that matter) other than theyre less abundant.
THat being said, I've never killed a Bison, but judging from ButchJessop's response, he's got the most of us beat for numbers.
At the end of the day, dead is dead, and the discussion of "Magnum vs non magnum is just a moot point for us internet jackasses with nothing better to do. .
Personally, Im with gatehouse. Should I ever have the opportunity, Im using a smokepole for my first.
BTW, We shoot domestic cattle using a .40 grain solid point .22 rimfire. Does that make it a good hunting round for wild bison?[/QUOTE]
how big of a difference? you mean to say that a farm raised Bison may have less will to live than a wild one? Im sorry Boo, but that doesnt jive buddy.
Millions were killed with less energy than a 30-30 at distances beyond this for the last 400 odd years... I dont think anything has changed in they're anatomy since the introduction of the 30-06, (or 375 H&H for that matter) other than theyre less abundant.
THat being said, I've never killed a Bison, but judging from ButchJessop's response, he's got the most of us beat for numbers.
At the end of the day, dead is dead, and the discussion of "Magnum vs non magnum is just a moot point for us internet jackasses with nothing better to do.
.Personally, Im with gatehouse. Should I ever have the opportunity, Im using a smokepole for my first.
The area we hunt bison in BC is not normally conductive to short-range hunting. Ranges are typically longish and the critters seldom will walk up to you and drop their nose into the grain pan to allow the perfect shot placement from a few feet away. The animals hunted are more often than not mature bulls not 2 year old meat animals who have not yet fully developed physically.
The old market hunters simply kept slinging lead until animals dropped. Lost animals were not a concern as they are - or should be - today. Also remember the herds we hunt in BC are NOT the same animals slaughtered on the plains. The wild woods bison we hunt are both larger and more temperamental that the plains bison. Add in the fact that when slaughtering domestic bison grizzly bears are not a concern as they are in Northern BC and I can safely say there are better choice than the old 30-30. (Notice how I skillfully turned this into a bear defence thread?? )
The old market hunters simply kept slinging lead until animals dropped. Lost animals were not a concern as they are - or should be - today. Also remember the herds we hunt in BC are NOT the same animals slaughtered on the plains. The wild woods bison we hunt are both larger and more temperamental that the plains bison. Add in the fact that when slaughtering domestic bison grizzly bears are not a concern as they are in Northern BC and I can safely say there are better choice than the old 30-30. (Notice how I skillfully turned this into a bear defence thread??
)Here is a BC bison take by a buddy of mine took a couple of years ago. The bull was estimated at over 2000 pounds on the hoof! (These woods bison are the largest terrestrial animals in Canada)
I know I wouldn't try and take a 150 yard shot at one of these beasts with a 30-30 even if it was legal.
No, magnums are not needed but too mild a cartridge is not a good choice either.
I know I wouldn't try and take a 150 yard shot at one of these beasts with a 30-30 even if it was legal.
No, magnums are not needed but too mild a cartridge is not a good choice either.
