Black Chroming.... good idea?

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been humming and hawing over this for a while.... I've got a blued 1911 that's looking a little worn in spots.... wanna do something a little more..... unique.

Not a fan of "silver" but i want something that shines (to impress the g/f. she likes shiny) so I figured black chrome.

This link has an example of what I mean....

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=129282

look at the slide on this Desert Eagle.... i'm thinking doing the whole piece like this.. and does anyone know anyone in Edmonton who can do this?
 
If you can't find a plater in Edmonton for black chrome, Advanced plating in Medicine Hat does it. Black chrome for the frame and slide would definatley be cool. Consider highlighting the slide stop, safety, trigger, and hammer in regular chrome.
 
The process to chrome a substrate causes the metal to be more brittle.
When the plating bath temperature, plating current density, and plating voltage are properly controlled to stay outside the hydrogen overpotential region, hydrogen embrittlement of the substrate is not a problem.
 
thecollector said:
When the plating bath temperature, plating current density, and plating voltage are properly controlled to stay outside the hydrogen overpotential region, hydrogen embrittlement of the substrate is not a problem.
yes and if thats was an issue then many 1000,s of guns per year would not be plated.
Plateing is a good idea, most top end ipsc guns are plated, and other then the the army i don,t think a gun gets more use then an ipsc race gun.
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thecollector said:
When the plating bath temperature, plating current density, and plating voltage are properly controlled to stay outside the hydrogen overpotential region, hydrogen embrittlement of the substrate is not a problem.


huh...uh yeah right ...me to , i think.
 
As an ex-hard chrome plater and I plated many secret service.FBI and several pistols for our U.S pistolsmiths. After plating it was normal to bake the pistols at 375 degrees farenheit to hydrogen embrittlement relieve
Morris Wales.
 
Morris Wales said:
As an ex-hard chrome plater and I plated many secret service.FBI and several pistols for our U.S pistolsmiths. After plating it was normal to bake the pistols at 375 degrees farenheit to hydrogen embrittlement relieve
Morris Wales.

Something wrong here.. the piece should be heated to 350 degree F. for about an hour BEFORE plating to get the hydrogen out of the base metal.When plated, it is too late to get it out. Damage is already done.

Reference Caswell Manual and the Plating Bible for those who whant to know more.:rolleyes:
 
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I think "black chrome" needs to be waxed as it is subsceptible to oxidation. I beleive there is some form of Titanium Nitrate coating that's greyish rather than gold.
 
Reply to Janeau: Hydrogen is created during plating not before and the bath is kept at 130-135 degrees. Pistol parts were allowed to reach bath temp,then plated,rinsed with clear water,dried and baked at 375 degrees for 3 to 4 hrs. 45 years experience. Never had a failure. Morris
 
Morris Wales said:
Reply to Janeau: Hydrogen is created during plating not before and the bath is kept at 130-135 degrees. Pistol parts were allowed to reach bath temp,then plated,rinsed with clear water,dried and baked at 375 degrees for 3 to 4 hrs. 45 years experience. Never had a failure. Morris


Morris, your statement that hydrogen is created during plating it wrong. It is activated during the plating process will be more accurate.

Here is what I found in the published documentation referenced: 1) Hydrogen impregnation occurs only as a result of acid pickling or cleaning of base metal - almost never occur otherwise 2) Chrome plate has the tendency to lock in and seal hydrogen gas in the grain structure of the part; In all cases, it is not until the chrome plate is applied that the formerly inert gases become active.
This is in the plating process that the gases crack the parts. Not after. The gases must go out first.

To complement the info, I made a trip to our local Chrome plater who does Harley parts and show Chrome. They do not bake any parts after plating.
To get another source, I checked with Montreal Chromium who does hard chroming on industrial basis only (unfortunately no guns at this time), and they say the same.

Others research made on the internet ( ''hydrogen embrittlement'' in your search engines) show that for some industrial application, were it is not practical to bake before ( shorter), they bake after (much longer). This is a matter of the type of electroplate used (must be porous), type and hardness of steel. Baking time also vary in regard of steel hardness. For some steel, baking is not necessary.
Some reference ( lot more available) : http://www.mechanicalplating.com/hydrogen.htm
Hydrogen must be present in the metal substrate before plating. The plating process by itself does not produce the hydrogen.

You were right on the baking after, it can be a process. Thanks for the info.

Which method is the good one? Not very important unless someone does his own plating with a Caswell kit. In that case I will follow their instruction to the letter who state baking BEFORE not after. Their chemicals are used at room temperature.

What is clear, hydrogen embrittlement is something rare and we should not worry about it when chosing a plated finish.
 
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Janeau: Thanks for your reply and you are also correct. We applied comparativly thin thicknesses to avoid excess build up on ends and sharp edges. Then relieved after. Its nice to be able to converse with our Canadian friends on this forum and as you know I'm a yankee in Southern California.
 
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