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My father has just developed an interest in muzzleloaders after visitng an old friend on the weekend. I as well have some interest but I don't think I have matured enough to develop the patience for it (I like semi autos)

Anyway, he is thinking of getting something in a BP ML, looking for suggestions for a first time, inexpensive rifled gun.

Likely just a shooter for now but he may wish to hunt with it in the future.
 
I really like the old stuff , flintlock , more of chore to load but thats the fun in it. Reason why I have not fired the inline I have for sale. You can check it out. It is a high end gun, but am open to trades or part trades on it so everyone is happy and shooting.:D
Frank
 
I know that I will be scolded on this, but if you are looking for Cap & Ball (old school) look up Lyman or Traditions.
 
Don't go too cheap...

Lyman and Thompson Centre make good starting muzzleloaders in percussion.I'd stay away from Spanish and India made junk.If your going Flintlock you will have to spend some serious $$$ for something quality or you'll end up frustraited.
My opinion.
 
Most any lock with strong enough springs will fire a cap. A flintlock gun has to have a decent lock, if you are going to get any degree of satisfaction from it.
 
if you do get 1,( doesn't matter percussion or flint) get one of those rubbermaid dishpans- they're about 3 bucks- otherwise the first time you clean it( and DON'T USE THE KITCHEN OR BATHROOM) you'll catch heck- the pan gives a place for the soot to go- and a set of rubber gloves- oh the joys of black powder
 
JerkinHerb said:
Lyman and Thompson Centre make good starting muzzleloaders in percussion.I'd stay away from Spanish and India made junk.If your going Flintlock you will have to spend some serious $$$ for something quality or you'll end up frustraited.
My opinion.


...hence the scolding.
 
The spanish guns are OK if you get a percussion and keep the loads mild. Problem is the Spanish makers don't proof fire their barrels!!! Also, their build quality is geared toward a lower price point.

If you MUST go spanish, get a Traditions. CVA is really scraping the bottom of the bbl IMHO.

If you get a Flintlock, any of these models, you will likely not be overly impressed with the standard OEM lock. Especially on the Spanish guns, they don't spark too well. This is a combination of poor spring geometry and improperly (ie cheaply hardened with casenit or similar) heat treated frizens. Also frizen to pan fit will leave alot to be desired generally.

The Lyman and Thompson Center flintlocks are a bit better, but most people who decide to stick with those guns upgrade to an aftermarker L&R replacement lock for about $140 US.

The "best" OEM locks seem to be on the Pedersoli and Armi Sport guns, but with those makers, be prepared for a bigger sticker price and using short flints (think knapping) as they have a non-standard lock geometry.

If you buy a percussion model, there's really no reason to upgrade your lock unless you want the ultimate in fast lock time.

If I were looking for an all-business entry level traditional style hunting muzzle-loader, I'd look long and hard at the Lyman Great Plains or Trade Rifle. The Trade rifle is cheaper (and prettier since it's fitted with brasses), but only found in Right Handed models. The Thompson Center is a bit nicer finished, but a fair bit more money.

Inevitably, someone's goign to ask me what I shoot... well, my lineup is as follows:

-Armi Sport Kentucky Flintlock in .45 (mostly for range fun)
-Lyman Great Plains (left handed) in .54 (for serious deer hunting as I'm a lefty and this is the best OEM rifle made for leftys)
-Armi Jaeger 1863 Remington in .58 (a 1975 made gun for range fun and as a hunting loaner for my father - nothing drops 'em like a .58 Minnié ;) )
 
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