Black Powder Requirements

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Does anyone here know 100% what the black powder requirements are, as far as the law goes? I already know that a PAL is not required to purchase black powder, and I know what the storage requirements are. What I'm trying to nail down is what are the requirements as far as the sale of black powder goes. What are the sellers responsibilities, which are required by the government? When I say sellers, I'm referring to businesses that sell black powder, not including all those substitute powders, or smokeless powders.
 
The "legal" requirements around the sale of black powder are with the seller to enforce and possibly add onto, but if you want to delve into it for what ever reason, start with the NRCAN site as they set the legal requirements for storage etc. and any answers you're looking for are likely there.

You thinking of starting a business selling black powder??
 
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So in order to sell Black Powder (which we sometimes carry at work - it's a pain to get it) we are required by law/regulation (NRCAN/Explosives Act) to record the name and address of the buyer (we only accept government ID), type of powder, size of container, brand name (ie. 2X500g Goex FF), and date of the sale. We are required to keep the record for 2 years (current regulation - it sometimes changes).

Of note here - nobody has ever come to look at our logs. The regional CFO comes a few times a year to check on the regular ammo sales (Ontario law here) but could care less about my black powder stuff. Nobody has inspected our storage save when we initially applied for our Business Firearms Licence - again though, didn't care about black powder/made no mention and no questions - not "their problem" it's a NRCAN issue.

Should back up here - depending on how much you want to keep "in stock" that determines whether you need an Explosives Licence (issued by NRCAN). The cut-off is 75 kgs of "real black" - since we never carry more that 20 kgs max "ever", don't need any special licence but we did have to inform (someone at) NRCAN that we were selling the stuff.

Also, the 75 kgs applies to a Storage Facility (such as we have at a brick/mortar store). If you are running "from home" whether you store in your house, or garage or some hut out back (same property as your or "a dwelling") the limits are different.

IN your house (or a house) - 1 kg max (so two cans and your at the limit)
IN a building "attached" to a dwelling (so attached garage as an example) - 1 kg of loose powder (again 2 standard cans) or up the 3 kg if it's "loaded in cartridges".
IN a "detached" building/container on the same property as a dwelling - 10 kg max of loose powder.

We keep ours in a "storage unit" along with our small arms ammunition, percussion caps, black powder subs, smokeless powder and primers, but each is on separate shelves (metal wire shelves), in a metal cage which is kept locked.

If you are going to "display" real black for sale you are limited to a maximum of 500 grams (one standard single can of Goex as an example) - so when we have it, it's either a single can with a sign saying that we have FF, FFF, FFFF or whatever OR just a sign say "Goex in stock" or what I have seen at other businesses is "empty cans" on display.

The regulation reads (as best as I remember without looking) - display up to 12 kg of propellant powder of which no more than 500 grams can be black.

Sorry, maybe a little disjointed here but think I got all the main points covered.

PS- dug out the regulation on the logs (note can use your PAL/RPAL number "in place of" name/address - both are acceptable)

[h=3]Q. What is required on the record of sale?[/h][FONT=&quot]Sellers must keep a record of sale for all propellant powder sold for two years following the date of the sale. The information that must be kept is:[/FONT]

  • the buyer’s name and address, or a licence number issued under the Firearms Act and the expiry date;
  • the type, trade name, size of container, and authorization information;
  • the quantity of powder sold under each trade name; and
  • the date of the sale.
 
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Wow, excellent job Graham, thanks so much. You answered all the questions I had, and even more. I did mention, in my original post, that I knew what the storage requirements were(NRCAN) but you gave me a lot of info that I didn't know, and now I do. Much appreciated. I'm satisfied now that I know I did what was required by law, and not anything more. We already have enough gun laws in Canada, and we don't need suppliers making things even more difficult by creating their own laws. Sure, I don't have to buy from those suppliers, but I'm dealing with the Canadian distributor for Goex, and that's the cheapest place for me to get black powder. There are not all that many suppliers of black powder in Canada, so it was important for me to find the best place to deal with. Brian, at Hummason Mfg was straight with me, and so I will be dealing with him for any future black powder orders. Still, I wanted to check things out, just to make sure that a DL number was in fact required by law. I hadn't seen that info anywhere on the internet, which made me question its authenticity.
 
Yep, gnmontey, that is the law, but, as Graham has pointed out, they don't go around checking peoples houses to make sure they don't have too much black powder in there. I think that it would not be a problem unless something happened, and then it would become a problem. Still, it is good to know the laws, so that you can make your choices with that knowledge in mind.
 
Yep, gnmontey, that is the law, but, as Graham has pointed out, they don't go around checking peoples houses to make sure they don't have too much black powder in there. I think that it would not be a problem unless something happened, and then it would become a problem. Still, it is good to know the laws, so that you can make your choices with that knowledge in mind.

Check this out. http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/explosives/acquisition-storage-sale/9827

10Kg if a detached dwelling.

M
 
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^^ I probably read that one wrong - thinking like a detached garage on a single home as opposed to say an apartment building where you could blow up all your neighbours :)

We have the regs posted in our lock up at work and the commercial rules are the ones I pay attention to, not so much for home. I use FFF in all my BP Rifles so only usually keep a single can on hand.
 
Understood Graham. I find it very easy to distinguish between when I'm being fed a lot of BS, and when someone actually knows what they're talking about, and you were definitely the latter. Still, it's very true that interpretation of laws is quite often very different from the average persons perspective. However, the only time it really matters is when it's a LEO's interpretation.
 
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