Don't beat me with clubs for asking this most likely stupid question: with the massive reclassification that I heard of from my truck club guys, has any restricted ARs been affected? I would assume no, but I just thought I'd ask. (And if you must know, I have two NEA ARs)
Black Rifle Reclassification?
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Not yet, but its not over, the 858 just became prohib.
Ar's and variants are already covered in written Canadian law, it is much more difficult to change a law than to reclassify guns that are not mentioned in the previous legislation. At least that's what I understand on the matter.
Aprilia Man
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Hoping you're right ....
According to this document -> http://static.globalnews.ca/content/interactives/documents/general_news_bucket/A-2012-00068.PDF
AR's are on the RCMP Radar since 2010.
First Swiss Arms, next CZ858, Next ...... AR's
We will see!
According to this document -> http://static.globalnews.ca/content/interactives/documents/general_news_bucket/A-2012-00068.PDF
AR's are on the RCMP Radar since 2010.
First Swiss Arms, next CZ858, Next ...... AR's
We will see!
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Not so: ARs are prescribed to be restricted in regulations made under the Firearms Act.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/
Regulations can be changed more or less on the whim of the Minister. This is not to say the AR is safe. Also, note that a regulation could be made under the FA prohibiting all firearms of any type, for example.
There's a difference between "being on the radar" and "having cause to confiscate". The RCMP had cause to confiscate the PE-90 and the CZ858, but they have NO cause to change classification of rifles such as the AR15 or the CSA VZ58 or the Tavor, even though they want to.
If there is a gun in your secure storage and you do not have a badge or a military posting it is in the RCMP's radar. Fuelled by people like Wendy and the Canadian media we are in for a fight if we want our kids/grandkids to enjoy the shooting sports and hobbies .
kinggeorge168
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I see Tavor will come up before AR's
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- Prince George BC
I agree 100% with this. We need to fight harder now than we ever have. It's pretty obvious that the RCMP have declared war on the law abiding gun owners of Canada.
Gunnerlove
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All gun owners should now recognize this as the sharp edge of the wedge.
The moment you think your gun is safe, you are wrong.
The moment you think your gun is safe, you are wrong.
Our problem, and one of the most pressing issues that needs to be addressed, is that the verification lab themselves makes the determination of what is a "variant" and what "easily convertible" means.
I'm sure there's a genius mechanic/engineer who can "easily convert" a Honda Civic into an ultralight fixed-wing airplane. Just because it's easy for him doesn't mean 95% of the rest of the population would consider it easy.
Back in WWII smiths were converting Lee-Enfield rifles to full auto. No gun is safe.
I believe they will go after all the non restricted military like stuff first. Like the P90, ACR, XCR etc... Since they are non restricted and not in a registry the only way for them to have a certain "control" is to make them prohibited. And oh yes some bolt action/ rifle in .50cal. They talked about that in the past already.
IMHO.
IMHO.
I agree no guns are safe and we can't be complacent. I do wonder if the AR is slightly safer because it's already restricted so under some control. We do have a precedent of some type 97 rifles being prohibited and then new type 97's being allowed, so maybe some models will survive this newest threat. And while the mini 14 in a wood stock is considered a PC rifle in the States, in Canada it's long been on the radar here, so nothing is completely safe. Maybe the Young Liberals are in charge of the RCMP now?
I doubt ARs would be affected. My recollection after having been here a while is....
ARs were always supposed to be prohibited, right back to the inception of the firearms act. A specific concession was made for this rifle given its wide use in service rifle. In that regard, this whole debate that is happening now for 858s and SAs has already happened for ARs, and it was decided that they would be restricted.
Also, as mentioned above, ARs are restricted by law....not by some classification determination by the RCMP. To my knowledge, all it requires is an OIC in parliament to change this, but it still requires parliament. the RCMP cannot do this themselves.
Revisiting classifications or making initial classifications is something the RCMP does as there is nothing in the statute law protecting a NR rifle from being reclassified. Another member here was trying to deduce how the RCMP derives the classification powers it seems to have exercised since the beginning of time, but he couldn't find it.
ARs were always supposed to be prohibited, right back to the inception of the firearms act. A specific concession was made for this rifle given its wide use in service rifle. In that regard, this whole debate that is happening now for 858s and SAs has already happened for ARs, and it was decided that they would be restricted.
Also, as mentioned above, ARs are restricted by law....not by some classification determination by the RCMP. To my knowledge, all it requires is an OIC in parliament to change this, but it still requires parliament. the RCMP cannot do this themselves.
Revisiting classifications or making initial classifications is something the RCMP does as there is nothing in the statute law protecting a NR rifle from being reclassified. Another member here was trying to deduce how the RCMP derives the classification powers it seems to have exercised since the beginning of time, but he couldn't find it.
In my strong opinion though....this IS NOT ABOUT A SPECIFIC MODEL OF FIREARM! This is about a rabidly anti-gun RCMP.
If we start drawing distinctions between 858s and ARs, we are the same as a fudd who draws a distinction between their duck gun and my handgun. They are all guns, and they are perfectly legal to own by licensed individuals
They've already done this to people in the past....a smaller group of T97A owners and a very small group of shotgun owners. Now they are going after bigger groups. If this continues unchecked, they will have everything, its only a matter of time.
If we start drawing distinctions between 858s and ARs, we are the same as a fudd who draws a distinction between their duck gun and my handgun. They are all guns, and they are perfectly legal to own by licensed individuals
They've already done this to people in the past....a smaller group of T97A owners and a very small group of shotgun owners. Now they are going after bigger groups. If this continues unchecked, they will have everything, its only a matter of time.
Exactly, well said. Stop bickering, pointing fingers and trying to figure out whats next. We are helping them decide what we think is dangerous and would make the liberal tree hugging bleeding hart sheeple happy the RCMP is protecting them. This is not about the make or model, class action lawsuits for specific owners or compensation. This is about a Police Organization that has assumed the power to criminalize citizens without legislative support. That is what a police state is people. No different if they demanded windowless boogie vans be forfieted for destruction because they have been used by pedophiles or that caddilacs are used by organized crime, or... You get the point. If ALL firearms owners in Canada want to enjoy their sports and have their children enjoy the same, then we ALL need to unite and send a message.
The fact is that no, your guns are not safe. The RCMP do not like civilian firearms ownership, and they especially don't like black guns. I don't see how people think they're safe because they aren't on the chopping block today.... two days ago no one saw anything coming and now the RCMP are running rampant. The Tavor is easily ruled a variant - consider that the RCMP are making their case on the CZ's by saying that there is an externally milled spot on the rear sight! If that isn't a grasp in the dark I don't know what is.
The Sig, CZ, Tavor and many AR's share one thing in common, and that's the fact that they are all produced in close conjunction with their military counterparts. Legally this is fine, but the RCMP have found a way to make that a defining issue and without any manner of democratic oversight, they can simply make a ruling and do whatever they like, which means it's only a matter of time until they look at your guns and decide you shouldn't have them. So do something! Write one fricking letter - don't email, write an actual letter, and mail it to parliament - it's free to mail letters to parliament hill so make use of that and let them know you want things changed. Here's a whole thread dedicated to letters that you can read and copy or use to compose your own: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1042572-Letter-sharing-resource-thread
And here's where you can go to see what the RCMP have banned next:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-Swiss-Arms-and-CZ-858-Reclassification-Forum
The Sig, CZ, Tavor and many AR's share one thing in common, and that's the fact that they are all produced in close conjunction with their military counterparts. Legally this is fine, but the RCMP have found a way to make that a defining issue and without any manner of democratic oversight, they can simply make a ruling and do whatever they like, which means it's only a matter of time until they look at your guns and decide you shouldn't have them. So do something! Write one fricking letter - don't email, write an actual letter, and mail it to parliament - it's free to mail letters to parliament hill so make use of that and let them know you want things changed. Here's a whole thread dedicated to letters that you can read and copy or use to compose your own: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1042572-Letter-sharing-resource-thread
And here's where you can go to see what the RCMP have banned next:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-Swiss-Arms-and-CZ-858-Reclassification-Forum
