Blackbear defense pistols?

sunray said:
"...only work in prospecting in the summer..." That alone will likely disqualify you.
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Again, I'm just going on what my restricted instructor told me, but apparently as long as I work as a prospector, I can get it. He had the permit himself, and he wasn't trapping that often anymore. He isn't the one that decides this stuff though, so I don't know.

Gatehouse said:
Hardly a bear "education"

Try reading Gary Sheltons books, as a starter:



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3 bears is insignificant around here...;)
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And each of your bears probably count as at least 2 of mine. Anyway, I'll check the books out.
 
Several of the ATC holders here carry Glock 10mm for the areas that have smaller bears and the CO's have shoot a number of them with their .40cals. The big revolvers pack a good punch, but that works both ways, people tend not to shoot them as much and they only hold 6 rds between reloads, a 10mm pistol gives you up to 11 rds with another 10 only seconds away. In the end whatever gun you get, you must practice with it in real like conditions.
 
rick357 said:
Now that could only make sense to someone who sits behind a desk and has never had to deal with a serious bear encounter. Have the bears changed their habits and gone into hibernation from June to September?
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Agree 200%. That's exactly what I said - in the winter they hibernate. If they decline the request on those bases they would be making a serious.

I really wish I had some excuse to carry in the bush. In my views, it isn't like carring in the city and I really don't know why they make such a big deal. Even camping groups and people portaging are at a great risk from bears. I guess unless the number of incidents grow no one is willing to make a move.
 
Comrade K said:
What I'm looking for is something that can stop a blackbear with only a couple of shots, for defense while working in the bush prospecting.
1.Something very durable. Able to withstand all kinds of abuse, moisture or even being submerged, filth etc. Also, preferably with most of it's components covered, so twigs, mud or pine needles etc. wouldn't block anything off.
2.Powerful enough to stop a black bear.
3.Easy to use on short notice. (Don't have time to screw around if there's a hungry bear coming at me - so no single actions)
4.Preferably not anything too bulky or large. Prefer a pistol over revolver.
I was thinking about a Glock in .40 or .45, but I've heard they aren't as reliable in larger calibers.
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A Glock sounds like a good choice. They are durable, easy to use, easy to carry, and - if not modified - they are totally reliable. (You don't need to change anything.) Parts and accessories are inexpensive and available.

10mm Auto has more energy than either .40 S&W or .45ACP, but that is your decision.
 
10mm................and 5 extra mags.......

it's what I carry for two-legged predators too in some countries
 
Strangeday said:
10mm................and 5 extra mags.......

it's what I carry for two-legged predators too in some countries
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LOL 5 mags cause you will need to keep reloading!!! LOL 10mm maybe on a Black Bear cub it is effective!!!

NO LESS POWER THEN A 44 MAGNUM!!!! Or you are asking to be its next meal.
 
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ponts said:
LOL 5 mags cause you will need to keep reloading!!! LOL 10mm maybe on a Black Bear cub it is effective!!!

NO LESS POWER THEN A 44 MAGNUM!!!! Or you are asking to be its next meal.
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The most important thing to do is hit the target...

A well placed shot with a 10mm is better than a marginal hit or clean miss from a 454,460,500 or 44 mag.

This type of thread has been debated endlessly on many a forum.
 
Whatever you choose.... DO NOT LOAD IT WITH HOLLOWPOINTS! you want PENETRATION. Hard cast or jacketed solids are best. A charging bear is a formidable opponent for most pistol rounds, and I would not trust my life to any kind of expanding bullet meant for us fluffy 2 legged predators.
 
350 Mag said:
The most important thing to do is hit the target...

A well placed shot with a 10mm is better than a marginal hit or clean miss from a 454,460,500 or 44 mag.

This type of thread has been debated endlessly on many a forum.
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This goes without saying if I was to pick a well placed handgun round then.....it would be minumum 44 mag.

Fans of the 10mm seem to think it has some mystical power.....Corbon known for its hot loadings best 10mm with a Softpoint or penetrator load is 676 ft/pds(and you will need a Penetrating bullet with a measly 10mm on a bear) . In 44 mag Corbon loads a round with 1675 ft pounds of energy. Over 3 times more energy.

http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/corbon/hunter.htm

What would you say is the minimum black bear rifle round?? IMHO it is the 30-30 that has about 1900 ft/pds. Now why would 676 ft/pds suddenly become adequate when you are close quarters with a dangerous animal?

Yes this has been discussed ad nasuem on every board out there but the 10mm is just not a good choice althought it is better then nothing.
 
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Lawrence D said:
I really wish I had some excuse to carry in the bush. In my views, it isn't like carring in the city and I really don't know why they make such a big deal. Even camping groups and people portaging are at a great risk from bears. I guess unless the number of incidents grow no one is willing to make a move.
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I guesss I am torn on the issue. I am going to apply for my ATC but only after exhausting my attempts to carry a shotgun. Due to the work I do it just never seemed to be where I was at any time. I would regularly look up only to realize that it was 50 to 200 yards away, totally useless to me. Good part is that it was usually sitting next to my lunch so if a bear took interest in that, at least I wasn't going to be an immediate issue. I have had several bear encounters, all of which ended amicably. I left - watching carefully and that is exactly the way I want to keep it. But, if pressed, I want some method of useful protection with me and bear spray need not apply. Hell, it doesn't even work on humans some of the time.
 
ponts said:
This goes without saying if I was to pick a well placed handgun round then.....it would be minumum 44 mag.

Fans of the 10mm seem to think it has some mystical power.....Corbon known for its hot loadings best 10mm with a Softpoint or penetrator load is 676 ft/pds(and you will need a Penetrating bullet with a measly 10mm on a bear) . In 44 mag Corbon loads a round with 1675 ft pounds of energy. Over 3 times more energy.

http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/corbon/hunter.htm

What would you say is the minimum black bear rifle round?? IMHO it is the 30-30 that has about 1900 ft/pds. Now why would 676 ft/pds suddenly become adequate when you are close quarters with a dangerous animal?

Yes this has been discussed ad nasuem on every board out there but the 10mm is just not a good choice althought it is better then nothing.
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If you can hit a moving target with your HOT 44 Mag then all the power to you....remember to file off the front sight.:runaway:

Make mine a Dlask shorty shotgun.....Spray and pray....:sniper:
 
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