Blocking / pinning mags

I don't believe pop rivets are legal unless they are affixed via welding, brazing or any other similar method

Pop riveting seems not to fit....but meh...how many 10s of thousands of mags out there are pop-riveted. The CBSA seems to allow their import
 
Just to add something ti the discussion: here's what one guy did to make his XDM mags legal in California: http://www.vaportrails.us/html/xdm.html

I thought it was pretty good - actually, better than pop-riveting, there's no interference with the spring. The spring in my XDM-40 mags sometimes catches on the rivet.

Unless I'm wrong, I do miss the point of this discussion though: is it legal to bring a high capacity magazine into Canada if it is disassembled? I thought you need to physically be out of the country while making these mods. :confused:
 
G37 said:
I think the pop-rivet gets by because of this "or similar device, made of steel or aluminum"
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THe similar device made of steel or aluminum ALSO has to be fixed to the magazine body by welding, brazing or similar method. IMO, pop riveting isn't similar to those methods.
 
aridan said:
Just to add something ti the discussion: here's what one guy did to make his XDM mags legal in California: http://www.vaportrails.us/html/xdm.html

I thought it was pretty good - actually, better than pop-riveting, there's no interference with the spring. The spring in my XDM-40 mags sometimes catches on the rivet.

Unless I'm wrong, I do miss the point of this discussion though: is it legal to bring a high capacity magazine into Canada if it is disassembled? I thought you need to physically be out of the country while making these mods. :confused:
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I think there was a guy charged and convicted in BC For imported a bunch of disassembled magazines.
 
Onagoth said:
THe similar device made of steel or aluminum ALSO has to be fixed to the magazine body by welding, brazing or similar method. IMO, pop riveting isn't similar to those methods.
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Sure it is. Once a metal or alloy mag body has been welded or brazed to, the only way to undo what you have done would be with a power tool like a grinder or drill....very similarto how you would be required to remove a pop rivet from the same mag body.


JMHO
 
Onagoth said:
I don't believe pop rivets are legal unless they are affixed via welding, brazing or any other similar method.....
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Keep pushing that thought - maybe the good folks who interpret the rules will agree with you, and pop rivetting will be rejected as an acceptable method.

Fortunately, pop rivetting is accepted, and CBSA has formally recognized it as being an approved method for magazines being imported.
 
I think there are to many people out there that are making comments on how a magazine should be limited that do not have a clue. The bottom line is if the magazine holds the correct amount of cartridges, thats all Canadian border services cares about. They do not care about how the mags are limited only how many cartridges they hold. I am talking from personal experience on this subject and my dealings with the Canadian border with large capacity rifle and pistol magazines. Like it says in the regulations, welding, rivets, glue ect,ect, just as long as it holds the right amount.
 
I don't mind stating for the record that I ordered some 30rnd AR mag bodies way back from Brownells... they made it to the border and I got a nice letter stating that they were seized and scheduled to be destroyed.

I sent a dispute letter and stated that "they were parts" and technically can't hold any cartridges in their current state. I also mentioned that they would be modified before assembling so that they could only hold 5 rounds... it did nothing for me and the mag bodies I assume were destroyed.

~Cheers
 
I have seen mags blocked to 10 by using a new follower cast longer than the original, which limits it's travel. All other parts of the mag are original and unmodified. Would this be consider legal, since it would require replacing parts to return it to a higher capacity?
 
G37 said:
I don't mind stating for the record that I ordered some 30rnd AR mag bodies way back from Brownells... they made it to the border and I got a nice letter stating that they were seized and scheduled to be destroyed.

I sent a dispute letter and stated that they were parts and I planned to pin them before assembling... it did nothing for me and the mag bodies I assume were destroyed.

~Cheers
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You were lucky.

In the recent BC case, the parcel was flagged, the recipient was allowed to take possession, and was then arrested.
 
Onagoth said:
THe similar device made of steel or aluminum ALSO has to be fixed to the magazine body by welding, brazing or similar method. IMO, pop riveting isn't similar to those methods.
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"or similar method" is vague at best. I think that rivets easily fall into a similar method ;)

By the way, that XD mag mod is very elegant. I like it.
 
tiriaq said:
Keep pushing that thought - maybe the good folks who interpret the rules will agree with you, and pop rivetting will be rejected as an acceptable method.

Fortunately, pop rivetting is accepted, and CBSA has formally recognized it as being an approved method for magazines being imported.
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I'm not pushing any thought...this is just my interpretation, and I'm no lawyer.

Just because CBSA allows the importation of pinned magazines, doesn't mean a court won't interpret the legislation the same way I have.

Happens all the time...happens with virtually all folding knives as well. 9/10 folding knives I can flick open with a wrist snap, but somehow its still legal for stores to import and sell them
 
G37 said:
"or similar method" is vague at best. I think that rivets easily fall into a similar method ;)

By the way, that XD mag mod is very elegant. I like it.
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Agreed, but you also have to look at the context and spirit of the legislation as a whole. It's just my opinion that pop riveting doesn't fit with welding and brazing, or what the legislation is trying to accomplish.

Having said that...I think this is a non-issue. Pinned mags are common place in Canada, they are imported everyday. I don't believe someone would be challenged in court on this premise.
 
B said:
If you are talking about the business owner from PoCo I don't believe he made any effort to bring the mags in legally.
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I can't recall the specifics, but as I remember, he tried to import a bunch of fully disassembled magazine parts. They charged him with possession of a prohibited device and he was convicted.

But I'd have to double check the case. Paul Morrison commented on it here on CGN a while back
 
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