Bo-Mar Glock sights: should be allowed in IPSC?

Should these Glock Bo-Mar sights be Production legal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 36.7%

  • No

    Votes: 24 49.0%

  • I don't care, I shoot Open!

    Votes: 7 14.3%
  • Total voters
    49
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I noticed that a couple of guys are starting to use these adjustable Bo-Mar sights on their Glocks for IPSC. They are Production legal, yet they change the sight radius of the gun to an extent that I would say is 'artificial' and, IMHO, not witin the spirit of Production.

Besides just looking FUGLY, I think that keeping them legal is a stupid move as it just advances the technology race in Production by giving Glock shooters another advantage which really should not be allowed.

So for my 1,000th post :)) ) answer this poll/##### session: Given the objectives / spirit of IPSC Production division, should they be allowed?

A pic: http://www.bo-mar.com/glock_slide.jpg
 
I agree they are Fugly.

The rules state something to the effect that the sights can be changed to the same type of sight (post and notch) and that the slide cant be modified. The rules dont really say anything about hanging off the gun, so I would consider them legal but kinda gamey. Just put on Heinies and you will be just as happy.
 
Exellent idea. If they are installed nice and low they look good . Great sight picture and reliable what more could ask for.Wasn't one of the ideas off IPSC to improve guns and equipment.
 
Read Appendix D4 of the rules for Production Division, special conditions 20.2

They are NOT legal for production, they would bump you into Standard or Open.

RePete.
 
HKfan said:
by giving Glock shooters another advantage which really should not be allowed.
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Hey,

I think this whole 'advantage' bit is waaaaay overblown... Both re Glocks in general and about this particular bit. I mean, this is available to any gun with
adjustable sights, not just a Glock... If people can kick ass with a $400 Norinco, I wouldn't worry about bomar sights...
 
RePete said:
Read Appendix D4 of the rules for Production Division, special conditions 20.2

They are NOT legal for production, they would bump you into Standard or Open.

RePete.
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They are of the same type offered by the OFM (Adjustable post and notch) and they don't require an alteration to gun. They are allowed...

I will verify with NROI Canada just to be sure, but it's pretty widely accepted that they are OK
 
still not going to help someone who can't shoot. the slight increase in sight radius isn't going to help either.
 
Quigley said:
They are of the same type offered by the OFM (Adjustable post and notch) and they don't require an alteration to gun. They are allowed...

I will verify with NROI Canada just to be sure, but it's pretty widely accepted that they are OK
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They may be post & notch, but does Glock offer the kind that hangs off the back of your slide?
If not, could I use a FO front sight? My manufacturer doesn't offer them, but they are post & notch.
 
pmt said:
They may be post & notch, but does Glock offer the kind that hangs off the back of your slide?
If not, could I use a FO front sight? My manufacturer doesn't offer them, but they are post & notch.
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You know the answer to that :p

The fact that they hang off the back does not make them a different "type"

FO sights are not offred by Glock so they would not be allowed.
 
HKfan said:
...snip...giving Glock shooters another advantage which really should not be allowed...snip...
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Another Advantage?

What advantages do glock shooters already get?

-From the factory, thier plastic sights are crap.
-The factory won't product a F/O sight, so they don't get that.
-Even the best glock trigger job is still gonna be always 5lbs and "weird" feeling.
-The extended mag release only makes the mag release the same height as other guns.
-With the integral grip humps on the frame, it's difficult at best to get good skateboard tape around the grip, and that is your only option with the grips. (while others have rubber, checkered plastic, wood, skateboard tape...)

I'm not dumping on Glock here, I just think that the glock guys can use a few advantages to compete with the other guys...
 
The triggers on Glocks are something different; it works for some. I really don't think the sights will help or give an unfair advantage, unless it is FO you may find the front sight with less effort......
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Another Advantage?


-With the integral grip humps on the frame, it's difficult at best to get good skateboard tape around the grip, and that is your only option with the grips. (while others have rubber, checkered plastic, wood, skateboard tape...)
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..ah..but there is a solution for that

http://www.ericwesselman.com/store/store.html

I have a set on mine (so does Bartledan)...very nice (even goes over the finger grooves)
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Another Advantage?

What advantages do glock shooters already get?

....

I'm not dumping on Glock here, I just think that the glock guys can use a few advantages to compete with the other guys...
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I am not saying that Glock's are the most competitive Production guns out there. Far from it in fact, although for most shooters they are fine.

When I refer to "another advantage" I probably should have said "another concession." It has been my personal feeling that because of the popularity of Glock's amongst competitors and the IPSC Executive that Glocks have got way more concessions in terms of allowable mods than they should.

On a Glock you can get a lighter trigger, extended slide release, extended mag release and basically any sight configuration. When the XD was banned the Glock was not, because the Glock apparently was less SA than the XD was.

On the other hand, I have been told by one range official at an IPSC match that I should shoot Standard with my USP 9 because it has a match trigger installed, and he had never seen a USP with a STAINLESS slide and a match trigger. :rolleyes: Yet this guy had a Glock holstered with all of the above modifications.

My point is this: my feeling is that Glock's are given way too much room to move in terms of allowable modifications. The sights in question are made for Glock's. I have yet to see them on other pistols, but you can rest assured that on a CZ or HK they would raise some eyebrows. My opinion is that the Bo-Mar's in question have taken the concessions given to Glocks one step too far.

Please note, however, that I have nothing against Glocks. I own a few, and appreciate them as great guns. What irks me is the seeming double standard of the IPSC Executive who allow a myriad of changes to Glock's because some obscure PD ordered a couple like that, whereas for other guns you need to fight so hard to get a modification approved.

Of course, this is all my opinion, but I thought a poll would give us a good chance to see what everyone else thinks.
 
Bomar Rear Sight

The reason I installed a Bomar Rear Sight is because the dovetail is exclusive to all Glock pistols.
If other rear sights are installed, I suspect that the dovetail has to be re-cut to accept these sights.
If this is the case, there are a number of "illegal" production Glocks out there which are impossible to detect.
However, I stand to be corrected regarding these other rear sights.
I someone could enlighten me as to other brands that don't require the Glock dovetail to be re-cut, it would be much appreciated.
 
HKfan said:
On the other hand, I have been told by one range official at an IPSC match that I should shoot Standard with my USP 9 because it has a match trigger installed, and he had never seen a USP with a STAINLESS slide and a match trigger. :rolleyes: Yet this guy had a Glock holstered with all of the above modifications.

Of course, this is all my opinion, but I thought a poll would give us a good chance to see what everyone else thinks.
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A little (maybe a lot) off topic with my reply, but different guns have different options from the factory. In the range officials defense, it is almost impossible to keep up with production rules.
USP's are available with "sporting trigger and sporting sights".

I can't remember what the rule is for stainless slides on production approved guns; I think as long as the stainless Slide is coming from the factory= factory option. (?)
Someone correct me or confirm?
 
you are correct..the USP9 comes with SS slide.

i am waiting for Glock to produce factory FO sights for DS!! hehe...
 
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Musky Hunter said:
you are correct..the USP9 comes with SS slide.

i am waiting for Glock to produce factory FO sights for DS!! hehe...
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I really thought going from FO sights to the Glock without FO sights was going to be tough...it wasn't.

It could be due to the fact that I have to take a bit more time to prep the trigger and find the centre of the target :rolleyes: ...but I'm liking the plain sights on the Glock...
 
This is a neat discussion...

HKfan said:
...snip... My point is this: my feeling is that Glock's are given way too much room to move in terms of allowable modifications. ...snip...
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Back when extended mag releases were approved for Glock, I would have agreed;
I have never, to this day - seen a glock 17 come from the factory with an extended mag release.

Today, "too much room in terms of allowable modifications", in my opinion, is this: http://www.ghostholster.com/cz_home.htm

But hey, this is the way it is has been laid out so I play within the rules.

(The opinion expressed here is mine, as a competitior - not as a gun distributor, dealer or Regional Director... :D )
 
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