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savagefan

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I've noticed a trend in the last few years where folks posing as hunters or anglers write stories such as near death incidents involving them (with their many years of experience) almost killing their friend, neighbor, tractor etc. Or hunters of one discipline urging for the banning of another. Some want quads or 4x4s banned and give scary claims to back up their nonsense. Some will pit one type of angler against all others. Such garbage is also posted on web forums by newbies. I'm sure it is a quiet campaign by the "antis" and their useful idiots to divide and conquer those of us who hunt and fish. Don't give them the satisfaction by joining in the dog pile, we're all in this together whether we use bow, bullet or bait. Tight lines and happy hunting.:)
 
Courtntan said:
Shoot a moose and you'll have a very different opinion. :D
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Most bans are "hunting" with quads. Extracting a moose is not hunting, just put away your hunting rifle for the duration of the task. Here in Alberta, if you are not hunting, there are no ATV bans other than parks and wildlife sanctuaries.


To address these foolish stories, at the end of the day, they don't hold water. Last year we had two hunting incidents, one of which a person was killed. Both of these circumstances lost most of the media attention when it was found that the accused parties were prohibited from owning or possessing firearms.

It simply makes poor news when criminals are involved in crimes, but mention that the accused is a hunter, the fur n tree ######s buy everything in print and look for the noose.
 
The media rarely distinguishes between hunters and poachers. In Manitoba here our last firearms "hunting" related fatality was actually a first nations "hunter" shot by another group of first nations "hunters" while hunting in the middle of the night. A very unsafe practise at the best of times and not concidered hunting IMO.

As for ATV's and hunting related activities, a ban on the use of these vehicles would be stupid. But, should hunter use of ATV's to activly pursue game increase drastically then such legislation might be tabled.

Thus it is up to us hunters to ensure responsible use of these tools. As for those that choose to use ATV's to tear around public lands, Provincial Forests and parks for recreational purposes, legislation here in Manitoba is being put forward to limit these activites due to negitive impact on the landscape.
 
savagefan said:
I've noticed a trend in the last few years where folks posing as hunters or anglers write stories such as near death incidents involving them (with their many years of experience) almost killing their friend, neighbor, tractor etc. Or hunters of one discipline urging for the banning of another. Some want quads or 4x4s banned and give scary claims to back up their nonsense. Some will pit one type of angler against all others. Such garbage is also posted on web forums by newbies. I'm sure it is a quiet campaign by the "antis" and their useful idiots to divide and conquer those of us who hunt and fish. Don't give them the satisfaction by joining in the dog pile, we're all in this together whether we use bow, bullet or bait. Tight lines and happy hunting.:)
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It has always been like this.
Over forty years ago I was at a regional district meeting of fish and game clubs. A large area of southern BC was nip and tuck accessable by four wheel drive vehicles over trails. There were not many four wheel drive vehicles at that time. A lady came to the meeting, with a well prepared paper with an outline of the situation, and she wanted the clubs to lobby the government to improve the trails, but only to the extent that a four wheel drive vehicle could get over them. She said if the trails were good enough for regular pick ups, the country would be ruined by too many people.
When she sat down, I got up and asked her if she owned a four wheel drive vehicle? She didn't want to answer, but finally said, "Yes."
A few laughs around and her resolution didn't get any further.
 
Courtntan said:
Shoot a moose and you'll have a very different opinion. :D
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Okay. LIKE quads. Can't afford one, though. Glad to have had one available last season when I shot a moose. Yes, definitely wanted one then. 700 lbs of moose, just 75 feet into the thick woodline was quite a drag, even with the quad. Tools are tools. Use them as what they are and everyone will be fine. I also agree that we need to police our own sports. It is not tattle-telling if we report misuse we witness.
 
Courtntan said:
Shoot a moose and you'll have a very different opinion. :D
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True enough. :D

There is a reason I don't like quads, several really. In Alberta you are allowed to use a quad whenever, but you cannot hunt with a quad until noon I think. In the meantime guys are ripping through the bush just because, then when 12:00 hits, they take off into the back country where guys in boots can't get to unless they've been walking for hours. Two stories stick in my head, first off I was about finished hunting for the day. It was a rather warm, rainy fall day and I was looking to shoot a whitetail buck. In the forest zone I was in that is only about an hours drive from home, buck season kicks off in September and you can't shoot a doe until November. I wasn't feeling too good so called it quits around lunch time. I got to my truck and was coming back down a logging road when I saw a herd of deer running through the bush to my right and towards the way I just came from. I parked the truck and grabbed my rifle and wen't in after them. Everything was soaked from the rain, and near the end of my stalk I was crawling through the ground vegitation and was soaked to the bone. I had been after the herd for about a half hour, slowely moving in only seeing a few animals at a time making their way away from the road I was coming from. I finally got into position to start to take a good look at the animals, at this point all does but felt good there should be a buck in there. Then I heard a noise, so did they. All of a sudden every deer in that herd was staring to my left as the noise was getting louder. After a minute a hunter on a quad went right between me and the herd, it turns out there was a small two track right between us. He never saw me, but he certainly didn't see the deer either. After he passed the whole herd took off like a bat out of Hell, including the small buck that I had not yet spotted. I wen't home. :(

The other story involves a couple of elk hunters. Again, I had a deer tag, but was more or less just out to be out. I parked in a clearing and started walking some quad trails. I was about an hour in when these guys came ripping up to me and stopped. They asked if I've seen any elk and I told them no. (This was about 10:00 in the morning) I was now on another trail another hour ahead and they came ripping through again. I turned around and was back at my truck eating lunch probably around 12:30 and then started up another trail. I looked down back towards my truck and here are these guys on a mission now, racing up another trail. I didn't see them again for the rest of the day, but I could sure hear those machines raising hell as they would get near and then vear off. I'll be the first to admit I have never driven a quad, and certainly never hunted from one but do guys really see animals while driving around on those things?
 
fiddler said:
Most bans are "hunting" with quads. Extracting a moose is not hunting, just put away your hunting rifle for the duration of the task. Here in Alberta, if you are not hunting, there are no ATV bans other than parks and wildlife sanctuaries.


To address these foolish stories, at the end of the day, they don't hold water. Last year we had two hunting incidents, one of which a person was killed. Both of these circumstances lost most of the media attention when it was found that the accused parties were prohibited from owning or possessing firearms.

It simply makes poor news when criminals are involved in crimes, but mention that the accused is a hunter, the fur n tree ######s buy everything in print and look for the noose.
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There it is, point proved.
 
pharaoh2 said:
True enough. :D

There is a reason I don't like quads, several really. In Alberta you are allowed to use a quad whenever, but you cannot hunt with a quad until noon I think. In the meantime guys are ripping through the bush just because, then when 12:00 hits, they take off into the back country where guys in boots can't get to unless they've been walking for hours. Two stories stick in my head, first off I was about finished hunting for the day. It was a rather warm, rainy fall day and I was looking to shoot a whitetail buck. In the forest zone I was in that is only about an hours drive from home, buck season kicks off in September and you can't shoot a doe until November. I wasn't feeling too good so called it quits around lunch time. I got to my truck and was coming back down a logging road when I saw a herd of deer running through the bush to my right and towards the way I just came from. I parked the truck and grabbed my rifle and wen't in after them. Everything was soaked from the rain, and near the end of my stalk I was crawling through the ground vegitation and was soaked to the bone. I had been after the herd for about a half hour, slowely moving in only seeing a few animals at a time making their way away from the road I was coming from. I finally got into position to start to take a good look at the animals, at this point all does but felt good there should be a buck in there. Then I heard a noise, so did they. All of a sudden every deer in that herd was staring to my left as the noise was getting louder. After a minute a hunter on a quad went right between me and the herd, it turns out there was a small two track right between us. He never saw me, but he certainly didn't see the deer either. After he passed the whole herd took off like a bat out of Hell, including the small buck that I had not yet spotted. I wen't home. :(

The other story involves a couple of elk hunters. Again, I had a deer tag, but was more or less just out to be out. I parked in a clearing and started walking some quad trails. I was about an hour in when these guys came ripping up to me and stopped. They asked if I've seen any elk and I told them no. (This was about 10:00 in the morning) I was now on another trail another hour ahead and they came ripping through again. I turned around and was back at my truck eating lunch probably around 12:30 and then started up another trail. I looked down back towards my truck and here are these guys on a mission now, racing up another trail. I didn't see them again for the rest of the day, but I could sure hear those machines raising hell as they would get near and then vear off. I'll be the first to admit I have never driven a quad, and certainly never hunted from one but do guys really see animals while driving around on those things?
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If the other hunter, had walked by and spooked the deer, would you be wanting to ban his shoes?

Quads have their place, and there certainly are places where they are damned nice to have, IE: moose, or long deer drags, or just getting to camp (Yes, I use one).
But I also agree, to a guy like myself, who walks to the back country, and enjoys the peace and quiet, they are a pain.
There are those who go hunting just to ride around on their machines it seems. You can't legislate common sense.
 
Many hunting areas are mixed use by designation. The majority of those quads are recreational riders, not hunters at all. We bought quads last year for hunting but wifey wanted to give recreational group riding a try in the off season. We joined a club and first time out was great fun and we met some excellent people to boot.
 
Back to the topic at hand, bogus work well the other way around as well, i.e. I always had a fear of firearms however I went out to the local range with my sister-in-law who called me out on my fear, now I get get enough shooting.
 
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