Bolt action 22 choice, Rem or CZ

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I am looking at two different bolt action .22's and would like some opinions. I am only interested in the two listed. Which of these two would you choose and why?

Remington model 504:
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Or this, CZ ZKM 453 AMERICAN:
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I would be topping the one I choose with a Leupold VX-I 2-7x28 rimfire scope.


Thanks! :wave:
 
Model 504-T

I think I like the 504-t better then the 504.
What is the main use you have in mind, I guess that would be a deciding factor, but you say you narrowed it down to the two so......CZ hands down, haven't heard of one yet that isn't a shooter.
 
I want a nice walnut stock, not laminated.

What do you think my use for it would be, killing elephants of course :p. It wont be a bench/target rifle if that is what you are wondering.
 
Some of the 453 stocks are awesome compared to the first 452s. My 452 looks pretty plain. If you can hand pick it there is some real good lookers showing up lately, I know first hand shorty has very nice wood, can't say much on the remmy as I haven't seen one first hand yet.
 
I have shot both and I do like the Remington 504 better it has a nice feel and alot better looking wood.

The 504 is going to be my next 22

Good Luck picking


crazy_davey said:
I am looking at two different bolt action .22's and would like some opinions. I am only interested in the two listed. Which of these two would you choose and why?

Remington model 504:
26500.jpg



Or this, CZ ZKM 453 AMERICAN:
PFA20122.jpg


I would be topping the one I choose with a Leupold VX-I 2-7x28 rimfire scope.


Thanks! :wave:
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When I decide to buy a bolt gun, it will be a CZ. I've heard nothing but good about them and have never owned a Remington, and probably never will. The 700 series is the 10/22 of the center fire world.
 
I'm kinda thinkin' that the wood you get on the rack grade Remington, isna' gonna look much like the clipart!

The CZ's I've seen were pretty slick actions. Have not handled a Remmy 504.

Who's making the Remington, or are they making these themselves?

I'd go CZ.

Cheers
Trev
 
I did similar research myself when my dad was looking for a .22. He ended up with the CZ 453, and it shoots AMAZING! Coupled with a VX-II 3-9x33mm Rimfire EFR for the adjustable parallax, it makes an amazing hunting rifle. It doesn't matter if the squirrel is 10m or 100m away, it will be in focus.

I took it to the range one day with some tangerines that were on the border of edible. 90 yards away, the tangerines almost seemed TOO easy to shoot. Once I had the rifle sighted in, I didn't miss any for the rest of the day. (I was using CCI Stinger .22 hollowpoints. It's the same ammo that we use for hunting.)
 
No doubt the CZ's shoot .. but that's more a matter I think, of barrel & chamber. The bottom metal doesn't match the quality of the rest of the gun and the magazine hanging down is just plain fugly.

I'd like to shoot the Remington ... it is certainly a better looking gun.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I believe Eagle eyes is into the Remingtons. You might want to sent a PM for more info.
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I'll get on board before the questions start flowing in. I own both the Remington 504 and the CZ 452 American. Both have their virtues. I'll list as per my personal experience.

CZ 452; Nice smooth action, quite accurate, but had to bed it to get it to shoot that way. Trigger as received is crap, and has no decent adjustment. Brooks kit solved that. Magazine is metal, but does protrude a bit out of the bottom metal. (more cosmetic than functional issue) Safety works in the opposite direction to most other rimfires out there (this I do not like) Fit and finish is OK, but not exceptional.( the checkering is well below good standards) My CZ does not have any special wood. Does not "feel" quite as good in the hands as the 504. I can recommend the CZ if you are willing to put up with the trigger, finish and safety as they are.

Remington 504; Action is very sturdy, and feels solid. Accuracy was about the same as the CZ as received, and I had hoped for a bit better since it has a match chamber. (apparently the 504 22LR sporter is a bit of a crapshoot as to barrels, since some shoot very well while others are not good at all. Mine would not shoot much under ½" at 50 with any ammo I tried, so guess it had a "middle of the road" barrel) Trigger is adjustable, and will go down low enough to satisfy most shooters. Very crisp. Magazine body is some type of alloy, but fits nice and flush on the bottom and feeds very well. Safety works in the correct direction. Fit and finish on mine was very good, and the checkering is superb. The wood itself is rather plain, but nice and dark, which makes it attractive. The 504 feels very nice in my hands, and points exceptionally well. I can recommend the 504 if you are willing to take the chance on getting a good barrel. (BTW, the HB version has not shown any accuracy issues like the sporter, nor has the 17HMR version) I bit the bullet on my own 504 and ordered up a Lilja EPS match barrel because I wanted the best accuracy possible. This is a true solution, but adds considerably to the cost of the rifle. This rifle now shoots in the .2's or under with several top quality ammos. :D

I am a Remington fan, but have tried to be as objective as possible in this evaluation, so an educated choice is easier for someone to make. Hope it helps. FWIW, I am a Rimfire junky, and own quite a number of them, including Remington 541's, 581's, Winchester 52's, Mossbergs, Sako, etc, etc. Regards, Eagleye.
 
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