Bolt Action w/Scope .223 Rem
- Thread starter Wolfgang7
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Do you have one?? If so whats your experience with it?? What did it cost??
Any info is good info!!
Did you miss the part about wanting a cost efficient gun?That certainly leaves out the Diarange scope.It is very expensive,as well as being heavy.I also don't see the need for a built in rangefinder on a target rifle.
As for the Sako 85 Varmint Stainless Laminate,I owned one in .223.It is a nice rifle,but mine had the 1 in 8" twist,so when using any bullet heavier than 50 gr,the cartridges were too long for the magazine when loaded anywhere near the lands.As such,it was worthless for the rifle to even have a magazine,so I sold it.I have no idea what Sako was thinking when they built that rifle.
I would have kept it if I were you....
My Tikka doesn't seem to care about the jump to the lands...
I was surprised to find that it gives comparable accuracy with the bullets' OAL set to fit the magazine, versus having them .005" off the lands.
YRMV.......
My Sako cared very much about the jump to the lands.Accuracy varied from 1/2" just off the lands,to well over 1" seated to fit the magazine.My CZ will group all bullet weights from 50gr to 69gr from 5/8" to 7/8" while seated to fit the magazine.The trigger isn't quite as good, but I prefer having a repeater with good accuracy,than a rifle with a magazine that has to be used as a single shot in order to achieve good accuracy.For 1/2 the price,the CZ is a much better thought out rifle.
Missed the part about cost efficiancy. I thought he wanted what was most expensive. My bad.
Mystic Precision
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Hey all. I'm looking to get into this sort of target shooting just for fun. Probably would only shoot 100m-300m for a while then hopefully push it out a bit further. Anyway I'm thinking of getting a .223 bolt action and scope. Any suggestions??
I'm thinking .223 as it seems maybe more cost efficient to start as i would just be shooting factory for the first while and maybe a few years down the road get into the long range reloading realm. Also might be nicer in the recoil department.
Any input/suggestions on a good 223 setup/scope or even if i should consider another caliber would be appreciated. Also what range could one expect a 223 effective to?? Thanks in advance.........
Consider the Savage 12BVSS or FP. Bed them for sure. Bolt timing is a nice touch to make them cycle smooth and easy.
Load up some quality bullets over Benchmark, Re15 or Varget. My fave are the 75's from Berger and Hornady (AMAx or BTHP). CCI 450 primers, Win brass but pretty much any brand will work.
Odds are you will have a sub MOA rifle ie under 1" at 100yds and 3" at 300yds. Some of these can even shoot 1/2 min or better
To save funds, the generic Weaver Alloy base will work. I would prefer the steel Burris XTB bases. Put the scope in a set of Burris Sig ZEE rings w/inserts. Solves a lot of mounting issues and gives you options should you want to reach out further in the future.
I am not suggesting a taller MOA base for now as a) you aren't shooting that far right now
b) until you get a taller combed stock, or add an adjustable unit like the TAC PRO, tall scopes bases and rings will raise the scope too high for comfy useage.
For scopes, Bushnell Elite 3200 10 X is the best bang in this price range. Is it ideal? of course not but they do work well and are dirt cheap.
Be weary of some mid/lower priced products as their optics and tracking aren't all that good and your ability to shoot is directly tied to how well you can aim.
A used Elite 4200 6-24 AO would be my next suggestion. These are wonderful scopes, great optics and tracking. I used and competed with these for years. About the same priced used as the mid/lower priced scopes new. The Elite is much better product.
Next up would be new and there are TONS of choices. My fave brand at present is the new gen Sightrons (I also offer Weaver, Bushnells, Nikon). For the money spent, the optics and tracking are better then anything I have used and they will compare nicely with products costing a lot more money.
Get some proper rests be it front pedestal or bipod. A quality rear bag and have at it.
Reloading is truly the key to getting the most out of your rifle and will save you huge amounts in the long run
No matter the rifle choice, the 223 with a fast twist barrel can reach out to a mile so distance is not an issue.
Enjoy...
Jerry
the 3200 10x tactical from bushnell is indeed a nice scope, great bang for the buck.
One word of warning tho... do not ever use another persons rifle, if it has a Nightforce scope on it, if you're on a budget. Ever. Your bank account will HATE you for it.
There is a huge difference between the 'great bang for your buck' scopes (bushnell 3200), and the much more expensive glass. I don't know how many times I've seen it on here, but get the rifle you want, and when it comes to a scope, spend as much as you can afford on it. Very common for the glass to cost as much or more than the rifle.
One word of warning tho... do not ever use another persons rifle, if it has a Nightforce scope on it, if you're on a budget. Ever. Your bank account will HATE you for it.
There is a huge difference between the 'great bang for your buck' scopes (bushnell 3200), and the much more expensive glass. I don't know how many times I've seen it on here, but get the rifle you want, and when it comes to a scope, spend as much as you can afford on it. Very common for the glass to cost as much or more than the rifle.
Mystic Precision
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There are certainly lots of theories and opinions but for the needs of F class and extreme range shooting, I have not found the mag fed actions I use wanting.
Jerry
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My set up is a Savage Model 12 BTVS with Warne mount and rings, Have a 16x42 Super Sniper for glass.
I would always suggest Howa, but if you want to recycle the gun later on, and bolt more stuff to it a cheap Savage is probably the way to go.
I did get a cheap rifle and scope for short range fun shooting, and lucked out in a heavy barreled Howa for under 600$ and then got a nice 1980s 3-10X scope off the EE for 50$.
Leupold PRWs for 50$ and the whole thing put together for around 700$. It is great fun plowing that little stuff down range, great for cleaning up years of bad shooting habits.
I did get a cheap rifle and scope for short range fun shooting, and lucked out in a heavy barreled Howa for under 600$ and then got a nice 1980s 3-10X scope off the EE for 50$.
Leupold PRWs for 50$ and the whole thing put together for around 700$. It is great fun plowing that little stuff down range, great for cleaning up years of bad shooting habits.
Have you set a budget yet? To stay cost effective, both Savage and Remington have great 'starter' rifles that will last you a long time. Like Mystic said, the Bushnell 3200 is a good scope for the money. I bought a Rem 700 SPS Tac and 3200 3-15X40 for ~$1100. new. The rifle is still outshoots me but I'm getting nice groups. My best 5 shot is .330 at 100, loading my own.
If you haven't yet, you need to look at Mystic Precisions site. Lots of great info about .223 .
peace...
If you haven't yet, you need to look at Mystic Precisions site. Lots of great info about .223 .
peace...
I've got a Stevens in 22-250 but pick one up in .223 and you should be more than happy with its 300 yard performance. You may get 1 moa but 2 moa is more likely with factory ammo.
Once you start shooting further and getting good at it you could get a heavy pre-fit barrel for $350, under $200 for an adjustable trigger and you have a semi-custom LR rig for under $1000.
Stocks are avaliable aswell.
Once you start shooting further and getting good at it you could get a heavy pre-fit barrel for $350, under $200 for an adjustable trigger and you have a semi-custom LR rig for under $1000.
Stocks are avaliable aswell.
here's my .223 starter rig for some target shooting up to 300 yards.
its a savage 10 FCP-K in 223 with falcon menace metric 4.5-18x56mm. im using burris signature zee rings with inserts on a weaver tactical one piece rail. theres also a karsten cheek piece. everything together was about $1600. it shoots amazing considering its all stock.
its a savage 10 FCP-K in 223 with falcon menace metric 4.5-18x56mm. im using burris signature zee rings with inserts on a weaver tactical one piece rail. theres also a karsten cheek piece. everything together was about $1600. it shoots amazing considering its all stock.
So what's more fit for longer distances, 223 or 22-250??
