Bonded vs all copper
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Im old and apparently on meds according to you, but, the original post was about Mono vs bonded bullets. You replied how boring or tiring this has become but still replied?? Then changed the subject to your preference for CNC bullets that were never part of the OPs original post! I like how you condemn posters for picking sides with theyre experience with monos and bonded bullets but then jump onto the virtues of CNC bullets according to your views!! Kindah the pot calling the kettle black, plus derailing the thread from the original post??? OOOPs suppose your sleeping now
There's just no need for a post like this. Hoytcanon has made some good points. I sure don't see the point in bashing him for bringing cup & core bullets into the discussion. Topics get expanded in threads all the time as posts accumulate.
Again... back on the meds...
Does this sound familiar?
"I will say this, 8 times out of 10, I will choose a bonded bullet over a mono metal..."
I shuffled you over to the ignore list, but feel free to fire away.
I’ve used both and prefer Mono’s only for the reason that our shots vary from 20 yards to over 300.
Velocity is a huge factor and at one time my whitetail load was 2750 fps and that saw lead bullets, depending on construction, fragment or split under 100 yards.
.458 bullet to bore smokeless ML was used.
Mono’s did not have this issue.
I dialed back to 2450 fps and mono’s still worked great but longest shot to date at that velocity was 155 yards. Mono worked perfectly.
I did recover one mono that had lost all its petals but it travelled over 40” diagonally through deer and broke shoulder and spine and pelvis on its travel. Recovered in rear rump skin.
We also noticed significantly less blood shot with mono’s, every time.
This was really noticed with the couple guys still using savage 220 slug guns. We usually lose 1/4 of the deer taken with lead slug bullets verses minimal bloodshot with mono. We recovered one mono from the 220 last year and it was a perfect mono mushroom with petals bent back. Slugs are slow at 1800 fps and BC of a rock so clearly they expand ok.
Our folks are good shots so all with only a few exceptions to boiler room shots.
This has been proven year after year in our gang to the point that last year, we made decision no more lead in any ML or Slugger for 2024.
Mono’s only.
Velocity is a huge factor and at one time my whitetail load was 2750 fps and that saw lead bullets, depending on construction, fragment or split under 100 yards.
.458 bullet to bore smokeless ML was used.
Mono’s did not have this issue.
I dialed back to 2450 fps and mono’s still worked great but longest shot to date at that velocity was 155 yards. Mono worked perfectly.
I did recover one mono that had lost all its petals but it travelled over 40” diagonally through deer and broke shoulder and spine and pelvis on its travel. Recovered in rear rump skin.
We also noticed significantly less blood shot with mono’s, every time.
This was really noticed with the couple guys still using savage 220 slug guns. We usually lose 1/4 of the deer taken with lead slug bullets verses minimal bloodshot with mono. We recovered one mono from the 220 last year and it was a perfect mono mushroom with petals bent back. Slugs are slow at 1800 fps and BC of a rock so clearly they expand ok.
Our folks are good shots so all with only a few exceptions to boiler room shots.
This has been proven year after year in our gang to the point that last year, we made decision no more lead in any ML or Slugger for 2024.
Mono’s only.
One is a Savage 10ML-2 that I pulled barrel off and put a Brux stainless with ASG carbide plug on in 45 Cal. I cut rifling in bullet with a special die.
Capable of over 3000 FPS but punishing to shoot at that speed.
Built 9 so far and they do still have a rainbow trajectory as it’s a thick bullet. One on 700 MLS, two on Savage 10ML2, two on TC Prohunter frames, a few on short action Savage frames. Not cheap but worth it.
Great 300 yard sub MOA guns
The monos work well for us.
Not doubting you on the "punishing" part at all! But pretty cool how even without leaning on them that hard, you can get right up there in 375 H&H numbers (300gr bullet, 2500 fps) with a .458 cal bullet....or faster with lighter.
Similarly and at shorter ranges the 250 TTSX and 275 TSX look like great bullets for the 450 Bushmaster.
Similarly and at shorter ranges the 250 TTSX and 275 TSX look like great bullets for the 450 Bushmaster.
We (me and my hunting buddies) have taken 27 Deer and bear over the past 12 years ..... 9 with Barnes TTSX (.308, 30-06 and 7-08), 7 with Hornady SP (.358), 4 with Hornady FTX (.44 mag) , 3 with Win. Deer Season XP (.308) , the others with 45-70 and a crossbow.
TTSX worked great; Total pass through on every animal (except for a bear). Only deer that didn't drop dead within 25m of being shot was due to poor shot placement. Did recover it tho. On the bear the TTSX actually drilled through one shoulder into the forward body cavity, and lodged in the far shoulder. Very impressive penetration that literally pancaked the bear.
The .358 Spire Point is an old school beast. Total pass throughs every time to can't speak to weight retention but exit wounds always indicate full expansion. FTX as well. The deer season XP worked fine although one blew apart on a rib and the exit wound looked like a grenade went off.
Interesting comments regarding the shearing of petals off the Monos.... wondering if they lose the petals from boring through bone / sinew etc where others would simply fragment?
Some old timers who taught me a lot about hunting were huge fans of the .44 mag. They probably shot over 100 deer with it over their 40+ year hunt camp. I started off with it and still love the caliber. Inside 100m it is simply devastating on deer sized game with the proper bullet. Meat damage isn't bad at all. A plus of the caliber is you can usually shoot it at indoor ranges; Recoil isn't bad, makes way less noise than a .308. And the rifles are light and handy, great for bushwhacking, blinds or treestands. I'm a fan. And I've never had to track a deer shot with a .44, but if you do, the two massive holes leak a lot of fluid.
Thanks! Appreciate the detailed comment!
Most of the deer hunting I do is 100 yards or in, kinda thinking about giving one a shake some day. Especially a stainless single shot. Be a good, cheap, solid tool. Your experiences with it ain't steering me away haha
A Barnes HP doesn't sound like a bad idea for that one either?
A single shot with a short range optic, and you are in business! Make sure it is a bullet that is designed for higher velocities - Handgun rounds - designed to expand faster - might come apart at rifle speeds. My fav was a Ruger .44 carbine with a 1-4x scope. Also had a ruger 77/44. And a winchester 94. And a Marlin 1894.
Currently rockin a Winchester 94AE. Now, most of my deer poppin is done with a .358 winchester - another old school bush buster with more range and plenty of ooommmppphhh. Kicks out a 200gr .35 caliber bullet at about 2400 FPS. Can't go wrong either way. Love the chonky rounds. Made for the woods.
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