Borchardt C-93 - Still out there ?

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I was reading up on the Borchardt C-93 and wondered if any have survived over the past century ? It seems not many were made when compared to the C-96.

Are they out there in Canada ? Has anyone owned one ? Shot one ? How much do they go for generally ?

Would be a very interesting comparison between the C-93 and the C-96, what a range report that would be, eh ?

Thanks all!
 
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"...owned one? Shot one?..." Haven't ever seen one in 30 plus years of playing with firearms of all kinds. Not even in a museum that I recall. Not seeing any production figures on-line either. Lots of history and pictures though.
"...Are they out there in Canada?..." Maybe, but they'd be very, big time, collectors pieces that don't ever get fired.
C96 Broomhandle Mauser's are more common. Made until 1937, for one thing. Still not cheap. Last one I saw, long ago, was in rough condition, with an $1100 asking price, as I recall.
Doubt you'll ever see a range report comparing the two.
 
I do believe that total production of the Borchardt was something like 1500 units, of which the first 1000 were marked to Ludwig Loewe - Berlin and the final production lot (500 guns) was marked to DWM: Deutsche Waffen-und-Munitionsfabriken.

Alan Lever had a cased Borchardt with most of the accessories in his shop in 1965. It was one of the later guns, DWM, and was in what I would call "very nice" condition (about 90% inside and out with a superb bore). One of the magazines (there were 2 spares in the case, plus one in the gun, plus the Dummy Magazine, so there was 1 missing) was not there, but pretty much everything else was.

I saw it sitting in the glass case and just stared at the thing. Finally, an older gentleman in a business suit came in and Mr. Lever went to talk with him. They started a tour of the shop and, in a short while, ended up where I was standing, staring at that wonderful piece of Art. Mr. Lever opened up the case and brought out the wonderful thing and asked if I would like to hold it. Of course, I said 'yes' and so was handed the Borchardt.

From holding it and trying the balance and grip, I can definitely understand the Luger being a very very very distinct improvement..... but as a PISTOL. Considered as a SEMIAUTOMATIC CARBINE, I would think the Borchardt would have had the advantage, especially considering the much longer barrel than most Lugers ever were to sport.

Mr. Lever asked if I was interested in the gun and I was stupid enough to ask the price. It was $1,000 at that time..... and I was making $222.10 a month, gross, working for CPAL. Mr. Lever then said that if I wanted it, he would hold it and reduce the price (I had bought a fair bit of junk there) to his cost: $750. That was still more than 4 months of my pay, after taxes, nearly 5. I had to shake my head, one of the hardest things I have ever done, and decline the offer. The gun then was passed to the older gentleman, who looked it over very carefully and pronounced it a beautiful thing, but very expensive. Mr. Lever then went to serve a customer, leaving the older gentleman and myself to talk. We had a good talk about guns and then the older man left the shop. I waited around until the shop closed because my buddy was working there and we would go for a coffee after he got off work.

First thing when we got out the door, my buddy asked me, "What the hell were you and Austin Taylor talking about?"

"Who's Austin Taylor," I asked. (I'm a Prairie kid, remember?)

"The old man you were talking with; that was Austin Taylor! He owns half the province!!"

"Well, we were talking about the Borchardt. I think he really liked it."

"He might, but he collects Colt One-and-a-halfs and Cloverleafs. We save all the very best ones for him. He's got one wall of his office covered with them. Right now I think he has every calibre made, every barrel length, boxed originals, custom-made ones, engraved ones, you name it.... likely the best collection in the world."

The Borchardt disappeared from the showcase about 2 weeks later and I have no idea where it went. But I did see the one, so there likely still is one in the country.

The price then, 45 years ago, was horrific. The price today would be horrific squared, I would think.

But billionaire or not, I have always had a soft spot in my heart for Austin Taylor. He could have bought the whole darned shop with a personal cheque...... but instead, he marvelled over that Borchardt.... and he allowed a 20-year-old kid to HOPE.

But the Borchardt will still be out there somewhere. I just don't think you're gonna run into it at the range this afternoon...... but, you never know.

Me, I'm always ready to see another. I have exactly ONE round for one!
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Just thinking....... North China Industrial (Norinco) is known to have built at least one Luger as an experiment. It was a copy of a standard P.'08 and so would be Prohibited in a Free Country such as ours.

But if Norinco were to turn out a BATCH of Lugers.... in 9mm, say, with 5-inch barrels and square-notch/square blade sights, I would certainly buy one.

I would buy two if they made them also in.40 S&W, 5-inch tube, which is NOT difficult if you are already making them in 9mm.

And if they were to use the tooling to turn out a batch of Borchardts, you can bet your bottom kopeck that I'd have one out at the range before the bluing had even set!

A Luger in .40 with a decent set of sights would make Major AND be one whizz of a gun on the range. I think they would really sell.

And what REAL collector wouldn't want The Very First One Of All? They might not sell a big batch, but if they kept them under a grand, they just might be surprised.

Are you listening, Comrades? Get your noses outta that Little Red Book and start cranking us out some Lugers and Borchardts! We have MONEY!!!
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I used to work in a gun shop. One day, a family brought in a Borchardt they wanted to sell on behalf of a deceased family member. My boss didn't know that gun too well and wasn't that interested in it. He made an offer that the family did not accept. I'm a Luger owner and knew what the gun was. That gun was absolutely mint condition in it's equally mint case with all accessories. When it went out the door, I wanted to scream!!!
 
There was a C-93 in a show in Edmonton last year. IIRC, he wanted a bit under $20K

Cased, stock, the whole package.

Not in my budget.

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Trev
 
Well it was certainly worth a try. Maybe I can run into a beat up and forgotten one at a gun show ? I did with my C96 and I don't regret it as she is amazing and fully functional.

A luger is next on my list but I will have to find one with restricted barrel length on it or find a prohib with a poor to fair bore and have my gunsmith work on it.

The Borchadt would certainly be a nice addition when you put all three together and see what must have been going through the designer's minds when they were finalizing these pieces.

The hunt for both continues.

Thanks for the personal story, smellie. I had a similar experience at a gunshop on Friday. They had a double dated artillery luger on consignment that was priced well above what I am able to bring in. I had the chance to hold and inspect it and boy what a beauty she was. It looked like she was made yesterday and I can justify the price tag. I too had to reluctantly give the beautiful pistol back but I wish I didn't have to. Maybe one day ?
 
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Cody Firearms Museum, Cody WY, this past summer.

Pretty thing, if a bit ungainly. Kinda like that 7'+ supermodel in Australia.
 
Now that is nice. I have never seen one in person but atleast they are well documented and there are plenty of photos of them floating around.

Thank you for sharing the photo.
 
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