Bottom Drops Out of AR-15 Market
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That's the US. Canada is a different story... We have to jump through the hoops, fill out the export permits and import the stuff. Most people that order stuff from SHOT are just starting to get it. Or are being told next year.
Ahh. The lies have taken hold. You actually believe that crap?
Oh my god...filling out some papers. That must add at least $500.......
andrew3081
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Canadians have been paying premiums for firearm for long time.
Also don't forget $1 usd is worth to an ameican in USA than $1 cad for a Canadian.
Import stuff yourself and see how expensive and time consuming it is. $250 per permit, plus you have to have everything shipped to a third party in the US. You have to pay them. Plus they have to ship it to Canada. You have to pay custom fees and brokerage fees. Things add up. I'm not saying you must ad $500. Canada is a small market. Companies have over head and pay roll to deal with. That's why we pay a premium on firearms. It's like a Remington rep. told me once. Canada is didoly squat to them. It's such a small percentage of their overall business. He said small states like RI and Maine, buy more guns than all of Canada.
X-Man
Ellwood has pmags for $16.99, check their forum.
Thats more than a correction, for Canada anyway.
Even though they're the MOE PMAG, I'm very happy to have been proven wrong! Hopefully Epps will have some left tomorrow when I call. 16.99 Canada vs. $12-$13 US is more than fair. I did some checking and there are lots of US sites selling the same magazine at prices as high as $29 bucks!
You're shopping in different places than I am. Bulk .223 is around $0.40/round for American Eagle, cheaper if you buy Norinco stuff. Reloading components haven't gone up significantly in over a year, maybe longer. Yes, our prices are higher than the US and they always have been. Import it yourself if things are so bad up here, then let us know how much you saved.
Mark
Anyone that remembers the Great Primer Famine of the early 90's, followed by a glut of primers soon after (I bought a couple of flats (5 boxes of 1000) of primers for US$55. That is $11 per 1000) will not be surprised by this.
And the ammo "crisis" WILL settle out soon as well.
I will admit that I am surprised that it may be over this soon though. I would have expected a few more months at least.
I suspect that sapper was referring to US prices being hugely overinflated.
And the ammo "crisis" WILL settle out soon as well.
I will admit that I am surprised that it may be over this soon though. I would have expected a few more months at least.
I suspect that sapper was referring to US prices being hugely overinflated.
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In Canadian Tire yesterday I noticed that they jacked the price for AE .223 FMJ They are going for $12.49/box now. That's a $2.00 a box jump from what they were. Not that I buy alot of my ammo from CT; only if in a pinch for hunting. The bulk Norc .223 has been going up as well I noticed; at least at dealers here in Ontario. Not sure about components as I still have a large supply available so have not had to buy any lately.
Customs fees??? Brokerage fees???
What are you talking about.
We went through all this with Irunguns. All there is ...is 5% gst.
A $250 permit fee. So what. It would suck to pay that to import one Ar
But guess what.....the big secret. ... You can put 25 ARs on that permit all for a measly $250 permit.
Ya. That permit cost really jacks up that price
What are you talking about.
We went through all this with Irunguns. All there is ...is 5% gst.
A $250 permit fee. So what. It would suck to pay that to import one Ar
But guess what.....the big secret. ... You can put 25 ARs on that permit all for a measly $250 permit.
Ya. That permit cost really jacks up that price
Under NAFTA, any made in the USA goods, including ARs, are duty free. From the perspective of the Canadian government, the only thing owing is the taxes. There's no duty. Knowledgeable importers can clear customs without using a broker.
mildcustom2
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Bring on the AR's to fill my gun safe.
I really hope Armalite starts selling to Canadian dealers again. I've been really wanting an Armalite AR10 National Match.
I really hope Armalite starts selling to Canadian dealers again. I've been really wanting an Armalite AR10 National Match.
Re: Price differential between Canada and the US
Remember, if you run a business in Canada and you have salaried employees, you have to make income tax, CPP and EI remittances, as well. This is why EVERYTHING in Canada is more expensive than in the US, even with the dollar at parity - generally, labour costs in the US are a bit lower - especially with the US economy in the toilet.
Also remember dealers here HAVE to price in the prospect of the entire industry being annihilated by a pen-stroke from the government or an arbitrary reclassification by the RCMP. This is a huge risk to anyone wanting to run a gun business in Canada and you would have to be crazy not to price that into your finished products and services.
In essence, because of the political risks up here in Canada, the prices here are permanently inflated.
Re: Market price for guns and ammo
Fat chances this correction is long term. It's only an illusion that the US economy is improving. Within 3-4 years (I'd say as soon as this fall), the US economy will obviously be in a free fall and "fear trade" commodities like guns, ammo, and precious metals will be in HUGE demand.
Just look at the Dow Industrial - it had a recent correction, but it's still at near all time highs:
google.ca/finance?q=Dow+jones+industrial+average&ei=7dzFUfCSM4eTiALGPA
at the same time, gold and silver (which gun and ammo prices tend to track) are at multi-year lows:
Everyone thinks the economy is doing well, and when the economy is flying high gun control is VERY low on the agenda.
I think the economy is in a dead cat bounce (and due for a crash) and when the market realizes it, the price for guns and ammo will go to the moon along with all tangible commodities.
That's not to say a price correction is a bad thing - I look at it as a good buying opportunity.
Remember, if you run a business in Canada and you have salaried employees, you have to make income tax, CPP and EI remittances, as well. This is why EVERYTHING in Canada is more expensive than in the US, even with the dollar at parity - generally, labour costs in the US are a bit lower - especially with the US economy in the toilet.
Also remember dealers here HAVE to price in the prospect of the entire industry being annihilated by a pen-stroke from the government or an arbitrary reclassification by the RCMP. This is a huge risk to anyone wanting to run a gun business in Canada and you would have to be crazy not to price that into your finished products and services.
In essence, because of the political risks up here in Canada, the prices here are permanently inflated.
Re: Market price for guns and ammo
Fat chances this correction is long term. It's only an illusion that the US economy is improving. Within 3-4 years (I'd say as soon as this fall), the US economy will obviously be in a free fall and "fear trade" commodities like guns, ammo, and precious metals will be in HUGE demand.
Just look at the Dow Industrial - it had a recent correction, but it's still at near all time highs:
google.ca/finance?q=Dow+jones+industrial+average&ei=7dzFUfCSM4eTiALGPA
at the same time, gold and silver (which gun and ammo prices tend to track) are at multi-year lows:
Everyone thinks the economy is doing well, and when the economy is flying high gun control is VERY low on the agenda.
I think the economy is in a dead cat bounce (and due for a crash) and when the market realizes it, the price for guns and ammo will go to the moon along with all tangible commodities.
That's not to say a price correction is a bad thing - I look at it as a good buying opportunity.
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Not sure where you are hearing of the bubble on black guns bursting -- we are backed logged over 12 months on SR-25's and close to 6 months for SR-15's
Many manufacturers are sold out for their years of production deep into 2014 --- that one shop I think is an aberration, as I can tell you going around shops from Northern Viriginia where I live down to Titusville FL (the mothership as it where) I cannot find black guns in stock, other than a few here or there.
Many manufacturers are sold out for their years of production deep into 2014 --- that one shop I think is an aberration, as I can tell you going around shops from Northern Viriginia where I live down to Titusville FL (the mothership as it where) I cannot find black guns in stock, other than a few here or there.
You aren't even comparing apples to oranges dude....
Re: Price differential between Canada and the US
Remember, if you run a business in Canada and you have salaried employees, you have to make income tax, CPP and EI remittances, as well. This is why EVERYTHING in Canada is more expensive than in the US, even with the dollar at parity - generally, labour costs in the US are a bit lower - especially with the US economy in the toilet.
Also remember dealers here HAVE to price in the prospect of the entire industry being annihilated by a pen-stroke from the government or an arbitrary reclassification by the RCMP. This is a huge risk to anyone wanting to run a gun business in Canada and you would have to be crazy not to price that into your finished products and services.
In essence, because of the political risks up here in Canada, the prices here are permanently inflated.
Re: Market price for guns and ammo
Fat chances this correction is long term. It's only an illusion that the US economy is improving. Within 3-4 years (I'd say as soon as this fall), the US economy will obviously be in a free fall and "fear trade" commodities like guns, ammo, and precious metals will be in HUGE demand.
Just look at the Dow Industrial - it had a recent correction, but it's still at near all time highs:
google.ca/finance?q=Dow+jones+industrial+average&ei=7dzFUfCSM4eTiALGPA
at the same time, gold and silver (which gun and ammo prices tend to track) are at multi-year lows:
Everyone thinks the economy is doing well, and when the economy is flying high gun control is VERY low on the agenda.
I think the economy is in a dead cat bounce (and due for a crash) and when the market realizes it, the price for guns and ammo will go to the moon along with all tangible commodities.
That's not to say a price correction is a bad thing - I look at it as a good buying opportunity.
The only thing keeping the US a float is China. They bought 30% of the US debt. They had the choice prop up the US dollar or the Euro. They chose the US dollar because it is their largest market. Which is why the Euro is still on the verge of collapse. So in a sense China has the US by the balls...
China owns about 8 percent of publicly held U.S. debt.
-- hxxp://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/ss/How-Much-US-Debt-Does-China-Own.htm
A slowdown in Chinese manufacturing and reports of a squeeze in the world’s second-biggest economy heightened worries.
-- hxxp://www.washingtonpost.com/business/stocks-slide-and-treasury-yields-spike-after-bernanke-says-fed-could-slow-its-bond-purchases/2013/06/19/f7546f4e-d956-11e2-b418-9dfa095e125d_story.html
