Bow hunting??? Not for everyone

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/11/10...+World+|+News+|+Ottawa+Sun#.UoDZsVae-EU.gmail

New Jersey game officials saved a wounded deer -- nicknamed "Steve Martin" for the arrow that had been shot through its mouth -- after the animal had been running around with the dangling projectile for nine days.

According to the New Jersey Star-Ledger, officials tranquilized the five-month-old male deer on Saturday and successfully removed the arrow before releasing it back into the wild.

Susan Darrah of Rockaway Township first saw the deer Nov. 1 and notified the New Jersey Fish and Wildlife officials, who staked out her backyard hoping the injured deer would return so they could remove the arrow.

It was spotted in Darrah's yard on Saturday and was captured after being tranquilized.

Darrah told the Star-Ledger that after being treated the deer had a nap in a field before taking off into the woods.

According to the New York Daily News, Darrah nicknamed the deer "Steve Martin" after the comedian's famous arrow-through-the-head prop used in his routines.
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Shot placement is important people.
 
I shudder every time I hear someone talking about headshots on big game, regardless of the weapon. Such an irresponsible thing to do and demonstrates a complete lack of respect for the animal IMHO.
 
labrador76 said:
I shudder every time I hear someone talking about headshots on big game, regardless of the weapon. Such an irresponsible thing to do and demonstrates a complete lack of respect for the animal IMHO.
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Assuming it was a head shot and not a bad estimate of lead on a moving animal, or the deer jumping the string and changing direction. Could be a number of reasons. And yes, it could be a head shooter as well.
 
I think when it comes to bow hunting, extra care needs to be given in assuring that the shot will be good. That being said, deer are quick and accidents will happen, but most of us have heard countless stories of deer being seen running around with arrows in them or worse...deer that suffered for a long time before finally succumbing to their wounds. I also think that for the most part, the more responsible hunters are less likely to injure a deer in such a manner and more likely to hit their mark with a carefully placed shot...the weekend warriors are a different story.
 
You can't see a bullet in a wounded deer... But there are many more deer wounded by guns than with bows (many more gun hunters)... My wounding loss after 40 years of bowhunting is under 5% (1 in 20)... But the most important thing to note with wounding loss with archery equipment is that in excess of 90% of non-fatal wounded game with archery equipment recovers completely and with little ill-effect. There have been many comprehensive studies done on wounding loss in various US States.
 
hoytcanon said:
You can't see a bullet in a wounded deer... But there are many more deer wounded by guns than with bows (many more gun hunters)... My wounding loss after 40 years of bowhunting is under 5% (1 in 20)... But the most important thing to note with wounding loss with archery equipment is that in excess of 90% of non-fatal wounded game with archery equipment recovers completely and with little ill-effect. There have been many comprehensive studies done on wounding loss in various US States.
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Considering every bow hunter out there hunt with the values you do. I have to disagree a little with your comment but also understand the angle you mean. Bow hunting has came forward so fast and the type of bows out there change the way most archers practice and chance shots. Years back like (20) when we got into this sport, bows were not as they are and we had to practice shooting. We were also more updated that an arrow will deflect when it touches a branch in flight. These fast bows today when the arrow hits a branch , it damn well turns and goes.

This story is the reason you are going to see mandatory archery courses in the future and a lot of US states all ready have them. You will not be getting a archery license unless you show your archers card ...
 
hoytcanon said:
You can't see a bullet in a wounded deer... But there are many more deer wounded by guns than with bows (many more gun hunters)
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True enough I suppose. There are certainly more weekend warriors running around during rifle season.


Adrian J Hare said:
This story is the reason you are going to see mandatory archery courses in the future and a lot of US states all ready have them. You will not be getting a archery license unless you show your archers card ...
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Here in Quebec, you must take a bow course and pass the test to get your bow endorsement on your hunting license.
 
Adrian J Hare said:
Considering every bow hunter out there hunt with the values you do. I have to disagree a little with your comment but also understand the angle you mean. Bow hunting has came forward so fast and the type of bows out there change the way most archers practice and chance shots. Years back like (20) when we got into this sport, bows were not as they are and we had to practice shooting. We were also more updated that an arrow will deflect when it touches a branch in flight. These fast bows today when the arrow hits a branch , it damn well turns and goes.

This story is the reason you are going to see mandatory archery courses in the future and a lot of US states all ready have them. You will not be getting a archery license unless you show your archers card ...
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Just to be clear, there's bow hunters and then there's bow hunters. The deer was shot with a recurve or longbow, not a real bow like a compound, or a rifle pretending to be a bow crossbow.

heh.
 
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waterwheel said:
Just to be clear, there's bow hunters and then there's bow hunters. The deer was shot with a recurve or longbow, not a real bow like a crossbow or a rifle pretending to be a bow crossbow.

heh.
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Sorry man but I have read this over 5 times and can not for the life of me understand what your trying to get across here. That sure puts an end to a thread I guess ! lol
 
Adrian J Hare said:
Sorry man but I have read this over 5 times and can not for the life of me understand what your trying to get across here. That sure puts an end to a thread I guess ! lol
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Recurve's are for hippies.
Crossbow's are rifles, they're not bows.

Basically i was just obviously trolling archers.

More seriously, I wonder if a lot of wounded deer aren't from recurve hunters. Don't know much about recurve bows other than I believe users are much quicker on the draw than a crossbow or compound. Not saying it is, just wondering out loud. And that deer certainly looked to be shot with an old school recurve/longbow.
 
waterwheel said:
Recurve's are for hippies.
Crossbow's are rifles, they're not bows.

Basically i was just obviously trolling archers.

More seriously, I wonder if a lot of wounded deer aren't from recurve hunters. Don't know much about recurve bows other than I believe users are much quicker on the draw than a crossbow or compound. Not saying it is, just wondering out loud. And that deer certainly looked to be shot with an old school recurve/longbow.
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You can identify the type of bow an arrow was shot from by looking at the arrow? That's pretty impressive. Can you also identify the type of firearm a bullet was fired from just by looking at the bullet? Yes the arrow does appear to have feather fletching, but that is far from indicative as to the identity of who shot it. I use space age carbon arrows with my recurve.

It's like looking at a deer with it's jaw blown off by a poorly placed bullet, and proclaiming "This was the work of a Thompson Center single shot."

Users of traditional bows are "quicker on the draw" because you don't get a massive let off like on a compound bow, or a total let off like on a crossbow. As such a majority of your aiming and planning is done before you even draw the bow. Holding a traditional bow at full draw gets tiring pretty fast. The longer you hold, the more your hands will shake and the worse your shot will be. This gives the appearance that the user is just shooting carelessly, because you can't see them standing there pointing at their target for a few minutes before shooting.

If you've never shot traditional bows before, I recommend it. It's good fun.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
You can identify the type of bow an arrow was shot from by looking at the arrow? That's pretty impressive. Can you also identify the type of firearm a bullet was fired from just by looking at the bullet? Yes the arrow does appear to have feather fletching, but that is far from indicative as to the identity of who shot it. I use space age carbon arrows with my recurve..
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Sure. So go ahead and argue how that arrow was shot from a crossbow. Is that what you're arguing? Now who's being ridiculous?

Anything's possible, but you're arguing semantics. Maybe they chucked it like a spear and didn't even use a bow, that could've happened too, right? that's about what your argument boils down to. Nevertheless, the arrow in the deer is one commonly used by recurve folks, and rarely used by compound. And it's sure as shooting not a crossbow bolt.
 
We make drivers take tests theory and practical tests before they can use the transportation network. I am all for hunters having to pass a practical "hunt test" for the different types of tools (i.e. archery, rifles, shotguns). Just because I sat through a hunters ed class, it does not entitle me to fling arrows at game!

Same goes with firearms, the number of potato heads I see shooting on crown land without a back stop and unable to make "hunting" like shots scares me!
 
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