BP buckshot loads?

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I have a T/C New Englander 12gauge with IC, mod and full chokes. So far I've only used a few times messing around with a buddy's clay thrower. Just been using #7 shot with a fiber wad below, a card wad on top with the IC choke and it works great so far.

I've been thinking of working up a 00buck load for hunting with next year. The bush is verry thick and the deer on the small side so fast, close shots are the norm. I know numerous people that have used pre-wrap 12ga with good results and think it would be too cool to get one with a cap and ball(s).

Any recomendations on charges (I'm using loose pyrodex), wads, chokes, loading techniques you've had good results with?

Thanks in advance!
 
I use .31 buckshot I cast in a Lee mold for my frontstuffers. Wheel weights make hard projectiles that stay round for good patterns.
I've never used them on game - I don't hunt in an area that has the close range situation required for shot loads on large game. I would limit the shots to 20 yards or so. Buckshot is not that effective against large game. I've seen coyotes escape carrying buckshot.
 
I have a friend who claims he gets good patterns by stacking 3 layers of 3 pellets in a mold then filling the mold with melted grease. In use he loads powder and cushion wad then one of these pre molded packets. I haven't tried patterning this method yet but it can't be any worse than buckshot loaded conventionally.

cheers mooncoon
 
I have heard of people using copper wire to tie the pellets of a buckshot load together, apparently these were safe to shoot and quite effective as they kept the pellets together on impact. Aside from to my thinking unsafe the flight pattern of eight pellets wired together would be erractic. Mooncoon a belive that at one time a shotgun shell was produced using the method your friend uses, I think Remington maybe?
 
Grease loads

I have a friend who claims he gets good patterns by stacking 3 layers of 3 pellets in a mold then filling the mold with melted grease. In use he loads powder and cushion wad then one of these pre molded packets. I haven't tried patterning this method yet but it can't be any worse than buckshot loaded conventionally.

cheers mooncoon

OK so here's how I do it.

First, the bigger the buckshot the better as far as down range energy and penetration is concerned. If you use some fairly thick plywood and start at say 25 yards and then move back 5 yards at a time you will see what I mean. Also of course, the powder charge is going to have an effect on this too. I have found that the felt wads are superior to cardboard wads in keeping pattern density.

Now as to my grease loads. First I use a grease made up of crisco and beeswax. You want to have it at a consistancy that is fairly soft but more solid than a standard grease would be like. If it is too hard the pellets will come out in a solid mass so a little trial and error has to be done. I do this in a double boiler and would like to mention that any other way is a good way to burn your house down as this stuff is very flamable so be careful!

If you have a 12 gauge then you can use a piece of 3/4" pipe to form your grease loads. First cap one end. Then make up a tube or cartridge from paper cut out of a brown paper bag. Using a pattern similiar to that used for paper cartidges to cut it out. Roll the cartidge into a tube (I found using a dowel that is slightly undersize helps) and then crimp one end by twisting it tight. Push the cartidge into your pipe. Now stack your pellets. I found that if you can get the pellets side by side then the patterns are much tighter so in 12 gauge 00 should work but the grease is going to help anyway. Stack the quantity of pellets you require (in BC you have to have a minimum of 8) into the cartridge. You will need to find a way to hold the pipe straight up while you are pouring. I use a wood block for this.

Now you pour your melted grease (remember! Double Boiler!) into the cartridge. Let it cool (I take it outside) until the grease is solid. I then remove the cap fron the end of the pipe and push it out using the dowel used to help roll the paper cartridge.

The end result will be a buckshot load that has given me 100% density up to 50 yards. Thats all pellets in a 30" circle! I have made up loads that use up to 12 pellets. I use a felt wonder wad between the powder and the cartridge but no over shot wad as the grease holds everything together. You will need to use about 85 grains of 2F powder otherwise the grease will hold the pellets together but that is my findings so I suggest you start low and work your way up.
While the patterns may be tight at closer ranges they are still usefull if you can pick a head/neck shot.

Cheers! Steve
 
Shotgunner?

Clearly, you're not much of a shotgunner.

Well, I hunt on Vancouver island. Most of my deer hunting is in an area that is designated "hunting with shotguns using shot only" so... thats about it as far as being a shotgunner is concerned!
The fish and game club I am in has a new trap range so maybe I will try to choke the shooter there with my black powder smoke....

Cheers. Steve.
 
Mooncoon a belive that at one time a shotgun shell was produced using the method your friend uses, I think Remington maybe?

I have never heard of grease enclosed pellets being commercially loaded but I think it may still be common to have inert fillers between the pellets. Elley in the late 1800s and early 1900s loaded some shells with the shot in a wire mesh cage or basket. I think these were mostly shot smaller than buckshot and intended for long range duck shooting

cheers mooncoon
 
I had never heard of the shot in a cage you mention, perhaps the grease encapsulated buckshot was issued by some miliatary or another I only remember it passingly so I will dig through my Gun Digests to try and find it.
 
Is there another way to make the shot charge without using the grease method? Perhaps using a plastic 12ga wad? Just sounds like alot of hassle, but then again what do I know? :D
 
Plastic wad will work in some guns. Some can be loaded with loose buckshot and some shooters use a filler, like sawdust to cusion the balls.
I always loaded my 20ga with powder, a couple of nitro wads with lube between, then loose .31 cal balls (9-15 of em), then a couple of overshot cards. I kept the buckshot in tubes, pre-counted, ready to pour in.
 
Is there another way to make the shot charge without using the grease method? Perhaps using a plastic 12ga wad? Just sounds like alot of hassle, but then again what do I know? :D

The purpose of the grease is to delay the shot spreading and plastic shot cups are designed to fall away quickly. You could try taping the shot cup so that the petals would not open easily

cheers Doug
 
Plastic wads

Is there another way to make the shot charge without using the grease method? Perhaps using a plastic 12ga wad? Just sounds like alot of hassle, but then again what do I know? :D

I tried using plastic cup wads (and just about everything else...) and found that they worked better if you cut the cushion (?) off them. I found that they still did not perform well and even tried using them with my grease but the result was a solid projectile... again.

Steve:nest:
 
Wads

I have a Knight TK-2000 ML shotgun these are the wads I use I have shot #5 shot for turkey but have not tried buck shot even though I have some 2/0 lead shot.Just for wanting to know I filled the wads with the 2/0 ( .330 ) buckshot the blue wad holds 11 pellets the white holds 12 pellets and the pink holds 14 pellets.I have talked to the rep from Knight and he says they have used the buckshot deer hunting and it works well.I am a little recoil sensitive so I have not tried it yet.It does hold its pattern well for turkey hunting.This ML has a jug choke system it is removable but not needed to load apparently there are some ML that have to have the choke removed to put the shot cup down the bore. Night

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