BP Recommendations?

B

BimmerBob

Regular
Rating - 100%
17   0   1
Hi everyone,

I am new to both Gunnutz and BP but had my first try with BP earlier this fall and would like to pursue a rifle of my own.

In that light, what would you want to have in a modern BP rifle? I have read good things about the Savage BP rifles and the ability to use smokeless powder and wondered if there are others that are able to use smokeless.

I personally really like the looks of the Remington Genesis (even though it does not use smokeless powder) but would appreciate all thoughts from those that have been doing this for some time. I know there will be varying opinions and I appreciate anything you are willing to provide.

Thanks in advance, Bob
 
Savage is the only rifle I'm aware of that recommends the use of smokeless in their muzzleloader. T/C Omega gets my vote for the best value in muzzleloading today but I just took delivery of a new Triumph yesterday and hope to get out and shoot it soon.
 
I think your best bet would be to join the local gun club and meet up with the black powder shooters in that club. Certainly here in the west, if you are at the range on one of our shooting days, virtually all members would be happy to give you a few shots with the rifle they have with them and no doubt trumpet its particular merits (in their opinion) Gives you a chance to see the variety that is out there and make a more informed decision.
If extended season is all that interests you, why not buy a Ruger #1 in .270 and run a cleaning rod down the barrel between shots :>) :>(

cheers mooncoon
 
i won't comment...when i first saw the thread I thought "oh good another BP buff", possibly a new believer in the one true way..Black powder cartridge....but I know little about modern inlines and their fake powders/smokeless, etc, ..so I will back out know before i get into trouble.
 
ben hunchak said:
i won't comment...when i first saw the thread I thought "oh good another BP buff", possibly a new believer in the one true way..Black powder cartridge....but I know little about modern inlines and their fake powders/smokeless, etc, ..so I will back out know before i get into trouble.
Click to expand...

Someone get coal in their stocking for Christmas......I think the past 150 derogatory comments you've made about in-lines got your point across....just a hint but at some point, enough is enough. Why is it when someone asks a serious question about an in-line on here that invariably the peanut galleery has to chime in. Frankly it's getting tiresome!
 
Go to the Modern Muzzleloaders site and read the Smokeless M/L section.
They discuss other smokeless M/Ls there.
Off the top of my head,I think there's NULA and smokeless Bbls available for T/C Encores.
 
BWANA said:
Go to the Modern Muzzleloaders site and read the Smokeless M/L section.
They discuss other smokeless M/Ls there.
Off the top of my head,I think there's NULA and smokeless Bbls available for T/C Encores.
Click to expand...

There are guys that shoot smokeless out of Encores but as the reciever was never designed for it, the addition of a "smokeless" barrel would definitely not be recommended nor necessarily safe.
 
Don't the Encores also take High Power Barrels like 30/06,300 Win Mag.etc.?
If they do,,I would think the safety issue is no problem.
At any rate as these smokeless barrels are made in the USA,it's likely too much hassle to get one up here.
 
sheephunter said:
Someone get coal in their stocking for Christmas......I think the past 150 derogatory comments you've made about in-lines got your point across....just a hint but at some point, enough is enough. Why is it when someone asks a serious question about an in-line on here that invariably the peanut galleery has to chime in. Frankly it's getting tiresome!
Click to expand...

Sheephunter
The peanut gallery is always willing to inject their opinion to a topic that they have no knowledge of and yes it is VERY tiring. Regarding Encores they are designed for smokeless as they were cartridge rifles before M/L's. I don't see the need as 777 or american pioneer don't need to be cleaned like black does. Back to the original topic regarding what type of M/L to choose if I was buying a new rifle I would choose a break action (like the encore) or a drop breach gun like the omega for the sole reason of ease of cleaning and sealed primer.
 
BWANA said:
Don't the Encores also take High Power Barrels like 30/06,300 Win Mag.etc.?
If they do,,I would think the safety issue is no problem.
At any rate as these smokeless barrels are made in the USA,it's likely too much hassle to get one up here.
Click to expand...

They are not approved for use by T/C!
 
doubleman said:
Sheephunter
The peanut gallery is always willing to inject their opinion to a topic that they have no knowledge of and yes it is VERY tiring. Regarding Encores they are designed for smokeless as they were cartridge rifles before M/L's. I don't see the need as 777 or american pioneer don't need to be cleaned like black does. Back to the original topic regarding what type of M/L to choose if I was buying a new rifle I would choose a break action (like the encore) or a drop breach gun like the omega for the sole reason of ease of cleaning and sealed primer.
Click to expand...


Regardless of what the Encore was built for, there is no smokeless barrel approved for it by T/C. Yes, it likely could handle it but the pressures that muzzleloaders exert are very different from centrefire cartridges so to say it shoots one and is fine for the other isn't necessarily true.
 
sheephunter said:
They are not approved for use by T/C!
Click to expand...

Sheephunter is right.

The frame for the TC may be rated for centerfire cartridges IN CONJUNCTION with a barrel rated for the associated pressure. TC's ML barrels and breechplugs are not rated for smokeless. Savage is, and maybe some custom jobs, thats it. I am aware that some folks routinely run either duplex charges or reduced smokeless charges is various brands of inlines without incident, but it is there life.

Perhaps an aftermarket barrel exists but it is not from TC and I strongly suspect that you would void any expectation of warranty.

When in doubt..and interesting read:

http://www.prbullet.com/smokeless.htm
 
Last edited:
sheephunter said:
Regardless of what the Encore was built for, there is no smokeless barrel approved for it by T/C. Yes, it likely could handle it but the pressures that muzzleloaders exert are very different from centrefire cartridges so to say it shoots one and is fine for the other isn't necessarily true.
Click to expand...

If you read my reply it said the frame was designed as a cartridge rifle not I think you should shoot smokeless powder in it. Like I said originally why would you want to with the available black powder alternatives producing more than enough velocity to roughly equal the muzzle energy of a .338wm. If anyone thinks the savage is way to go they should shoot one with the "factory recomended" load of smokeless powder as the recoil is brutal, which makes range time about a enjoyable as a kick in the nuts.
 
There are a great many of us who do not believe that these modern rifles should be allowed for early season hunting as they have nothing in common with traditional hunting ways. Muzzleloaders should be traditional, percussion or flintlock and use black powder with lead bullets. The State of Penn. only allows flintlock and I believe other jurisdictions should do the same, to me use of an inline is like cheating or possibly for people that are not up to the challenge!
 
this argument could go on for ever. i really believe that we are hurting ourselves to promote not allowing one method, while endorsing another. the inline is still a muzzle loaded single shot rifle,it 's closer to a flintlock than an Ar15. that's the same as recurve bow hunters wanting compounds outlawed and both of them wanting to get rid of crossbows. as hunters and shooters we had better stick together. this is playing into the hands of the antis.don't we owe it to the game we hunt to use the best equipment available? if some one wishes to hunt traditional, great, but this purist attitude is nonsense.this is what the antis love to see.
 
Hi Bob. There are many nice muzzleloaders out there and just as many opinions about what is best or correct. If you do not want to clean your gun every time you shoot it buy the savage. It is a well made nice looking rifle. Unfortunately you will miss out on what I consider the best part of muzzleloading. I use only black powder. It gives me max smoke, flames and stink. That is what makes it for me.
I have inlines and traditional rifles and in spite of popular opinion the traditional rifles (with a hooked breech) are probably easier to clean than an inline.
Buy one with 1 In 66 or geater rifling if you want to shoot round ball and faster twists if you want to shoot conicals.
I have to agree with Levi, tc and lyman make great guns. I started with an omega and would recommend it, but buy what you like and don't let other peoples opinions ruin your enjoyment of it. Good luck. Dennis
 
ben hunchak said:
There are a great many of us who do not believe that these modern rifles should be allowed for early season hunting as they have nothing in common with traditional hunting ways.
Click to expand...

That's why they should institute a primitive weapons season. By alienating modern muzzleloaders all we do is diminish hunter ranks in a sport that is already being replaced by the X-Box and Wii.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom