Brand new Norenco M14

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Took it out of the box went to the range with some 150grain Hornady V-Max loads and 44.6gr of reloader-15. Groups all over the place at 100 meters on a 8X11 target, actually no groups at all. I understand that the Norc M14 is very load sensitive. So I did a OCW with Burger VLD 168 grain and RE-15 with 42 grain load found that at 50 meters I was able to obtain a group of .561 with 6 shots. Have just replaced the op rod spring guide with a Sadlak Industries and a GI chromium spring. Also have a Sadlak Industries grooved gas piston on order. Will these changes help to improve my groups with my Burger and RE-15 loads? Would appreciate any comments and inputs from those of U that own shoot and modify their Norencos. Oh; one more thing, I am on my 5th or 6th reloading with commercial Winchester 308 brass and no sign at all of incipient case head separation.
 
I would change your powder to IMR4895, H4895 or IMR4064. Check out Reloading for the M14 by Zediker for more details why. It's great that your getting good results with RL15, but why risk future damage? People say no more than 4 loadings for brass, but I'm not sure I agree with that myself. If the brass is good, the brass is good.
 
eaglesnester said:
Took it out of the box went to the range.
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Just gonna check, but you did clean & lube the rifle up with grease right? As per the sticky in this forum...

They are good guns, especially if you like to tinker with stuff. I have done a bunch of cheaper mods to mine & really enjoy shooting it, as I said, check the stickies & read about the little things you can do to make the gun better.

Lastly, ENJOY your new gun! I am sure you will get her worked out!

Cheers
Jay
 
I have the norc m-14, have changed everything but the barrel, trigger group, bolt and receiver. Everything else is SAI, Sadlac, GG&G and Springfield all in a JAE stock and with a Leatherwood ART M-1200 scope...I shoot nothing but mil surp 148g rounds (Cheap) and with the exception of the occasional 'flyer' I can get 1"-3" groups (depending on the shooter:) ) at 300m all day long. It works awesome. It's one of my favourite rifles. A blast to shoot but when you clean it, clean and lube it right. Too little or too much lube can cause a bit of grief. Awesome rifle, very happy with it and with a few mods I'm sure you will be as well. Welcome to the DMR club!

BTW...I may be interested in selling the JAE (OD green) stock as I'm thinking of changing it up just for variety's sake..maybe.
 
!/2 MOA? Good shooting!

It's been my experience, after having rebuilt a few "Norinco" '305/M-14s, that "out of the box" they're essentially DIY projects.
Quality control at the factory is non-existent as far as I can tell--parts and assembly are inconsistent. Occasionally we get lucky with a gun
where most things fit together properly and don't need fixing, but it's more than likely that you'll end up with a dud.
My first one was a gem--head-spacing was good, as was alignment. I did replace the op rod spring guide and spring as well as the rear sight.
The op rod guide needed tightening as well.
The front sight is the wrong size and will be getting replaced.
The next TWO examples I got were so sloppy I ended up returning them for a full refund. They were quite hopeless as candidates for rehab.

The original M-14 was my issued weapon when I was in the US Army, so I think I can speak from some experience. It's a "main battle rifle"
designed to hit human beings at centre of mass at ranges out to 350 meters. We never measured our groups to see how tight they were--
if the sillouette fell down, that was good enough.

I don't believe that any of these M-14 clones will ever become tack drivers, no matter how much sweat and money we pour into them.
Any .308 Savage or Remington bolt action will outshoot them straight out of the box, and for less money.

You've already done the major recommended part replacements. If you can get those results using your handloads, then I'd say you're a lucky
man indeed! You must have gotten one of the "gems".

Have you been able to replicate that 1/2 MOA group? Could you post some pics of your targets? It might encourage all of us M-14 shooters
who have been trying to make silk purses from these sow's ears.

Cheers,
SL

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I don't think the sadlak piston will work with most norinco gas systems but maybe I'm wrong. I believe you need a GI gas cylinder.

Can anyone confirm?
 
djankle said:
I don't think the sadlak piston will work with most norinco gas systems but maybe I'm wrong. I believe you need a GI gas cylinder.

Can anyone confirm?
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I have a sadlak TiN in mine (not grooved), over 3000 rounds down the pipe and it works awesome. kept clean and never an issue. However, it is a Springfield USGI cyl come to think of it.
 
Good for you Eagle Nester! I am new to the M14 club too...just note that reloading for these things is not like loading for your bolt guns! M14's are very picky about what they eat and they can be downright dangerous if you don't respect their preferences. I would never use RL15 in mine; I hear that these guns are pressure sensitive and that the port pressure is critical to reliable operation.

I actually had to buy the small base resizing die for mine too. They have some excellent vids on Youtube as well...
 
How about a standard baseline?

Hey 'Nester,

I realize this has become a handloaders' thread more than an M-14 thread now, but I'm wondering--
Did you ever shoot any 7.62 NATO out of this puppy? Just to get a baseline of what you can do with
a factory military load?
It would be interesting to see what your groups would look like with the standard ammo.
RSVP
SL
ps-- Send pics! :)

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Sporting Lad said:
Hey 'Nester,

I realize this has become a handloaders' thread more than an M-14 thread now, but I'm wondering--
Did you ever shoot any 7.62 NATO out of this puppy? Just to get a baseline of what you can do with
a factory military load?
It would be interesting to see what your groups would look like with the standard ammo.
RSVP
SL
ps-- Send pics! :)

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Got 1000 rounds of ChiCom 7.62X51 Nato on order should be here Monday. Just as soon as it gets here I am going to open the case, grab my Nornc. and head for the range just up the road. Will let U all know how it works out.
 
This Norenco Gi M14 thing is addictive. I am already thinking about new GI bolt, barrel, and on and on and on it goes. Is there any hope for me?
 
Sporting Lad said:
It's been my experience, after having rebuilt a few "Norinco" '305/M-14s, that "out of the box" they're essentially DIY projects.
Quality control at the factory is non-existent as far as I can tell--parts and assembly are inconsistent. Occasionally we get lucky with a gun
where most things fit together properly and don't need fixing, but it's more than likely that you'll end up with a dud.
My first one was a gem--head-spacing was good, as was alignment. I did replace the op rod spring guide and spring as well as the rear sight.
The op rod guide needed tightening as well.
The front sight is the wrong size and will be getting replaced.
The next TWO examples I got were so sloppy I ended up returning them for a full refund. They were quite hopeless as candidates for rehab.

The original M-14 was my issued weapon when I was in the US Army, so I think I can speak from some experience. It's a "main battle rifle"
designed to hit human beings at centre of mass at ranges out to 350 meters. We never measured our groups to see how tight they were--
if the sillouette fell down, that was good enough.

I don't believe that any of these M-14 clones will ever become tack drivers, no matter how much sweat and money we pour into them.
Any .308 Savage or Remington bolt action will outshoot them straight out of the box, and for less money.

You've already done the major recommended part replacements. If you can get those results using your handloads, then I'd say you're a lucky
man indeed! You must have gotten one of the "gems".

Have you been able to replicate that 1/2 MOA group? Could you post some pics of your targets? It might encourage all of us M-14 shooters
who have been trying to make silk purses from these sow's ears.

Cheers,
SL

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The group that I posted about , I do believe .561 or so was at 50 meters. When I went to 100 meters with the same loads the group opened up to 2and5/8 inches which I understand ante too bad for a stick your finger in the wind and guess at proper powder load. Cant get IMR anything right now, got some on order will ditch the RE15 when my pre buy powder order comes in.
 
silver69 said:
I have the norc m-14, have changed everything but the barrel, trigger group, bolt and receiver. Everything else is SAI, Sadlac, GG&G and Springfield all in a JAE stock and with a Leatherwood ART M-1200 scope...I shoot nothing but mil surp 148g rounds (Cheap) and with the exception of the occasional 'flyer' I can get 1"-3" groups (depending on the shooter:) ) at 300m all day long. It works awesome. It's one of my favourite rifles. A blast to shoot but when you clean it, clean and lube it right. Too little or too much lube can cause a bit of grief. Awesome rifle, very happy with it and with a few mods I'm sure you will be as well. Welcome to the DMR club!

BTW...I may be interested in selling the JAE (OD green) stock as I'm thinking of changing it up just for variety's sake..maybe.
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Have you considered the 1.5 MOA challenge ?
It sure would be nice to see a Norc based rifle crack it.
 
Lost...again said:
Have you considered the 1.5 MOA challenge ?
It sure would be nice to see a Norc based rifle crack it.
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With hand loads and practise from what I have seen many of the Norincos withscopes seem to be capable of under 2" groups consistantly. (except if I'm shooting it) the OP from the 1 1/2" challenge (Hi Paul) is a good example of what can be done with these rifles. I am usually 2 inches or less now with my hand loads, Paul is under 1 1/2 with the occasional 1 3/4 group. Mind you this is with a scope but how many of us can come close to this with irons!! mistake of telling me his recipe for the ultimate load for these rifles so next weekend I'm going to try and come close/ match his results!
Paul made the
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