brand new Norinco 1911 jamming every time

I thought Norinco's were reliable? I also thought the 1911 was the best design ever? If you combine the two wouldn't you end up with the bestest pistol in the whole wide world?:rolleyes:

Sorry had to jab.

I would discard the magazines and run some better quality ones. I would also fire a few hundred more rounds to ensure the pistol is broke in. Be sure to use good jacketed ball ammo. And as mentioned, clean it, thoroughly.

TDC
 
TDC said:
I thought Norinco's were reliable? I also thought the 1911 was the best design ever? If you combine the two wouldn't you end up with the bestest pistol in the whole wide world?:rolleyes:

Sorry had to jab.

I would discard the magazines and run some better quality ones. I would also fire a few hundred more rounds to ensure the pistol is broke in. Be sure to use good jacketed ball ammo. And as mentioned, clean it, thoroughly.

TDC
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Well looks like you won't give up any chance to jump on 1911, but that's all good. Those Norinco comes with heavy packing grease, most of the time a simple cleaning is not enough specially the extractor gum up with grease and it is also the area that people missed out. I agree that 1911 may not be the best design but it is the funnest gun to own for this hobby. There has to be a reason that so many people at hooked, just like the glock. open your mind brother.

Trigun
 
OP, I feel your pain. I have an Armco tuned Norc 1911 that makes a magic 8 ball seem reliable.

I encourage you to clean it spotless, and then gently lube.

After that, going with better mags is a good next step while you work through the break in period.

Finally you can take the step I took, which is to throw the ####ing thing in the safe and shoot something else because it's frustrating to run but you don't want to sell a lemon to some unsuspecting friend.
 
newshot said:
Limp wristing is a real cause of jams...but not so much on a properly functioning 1911 in my experience.
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This is a very common issue with newbs shooting pistols! I would definitely try a firmer grip locking the wrists, blah, blah, blah.

Had this happen with my buddies GF on my Norc Police model.

newshot said:
maby try a stiffer guide rod spring.
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:eek::eek:

This is going to have the exact opposite effect of what would correct the problem. The failure to eject is caused when the casing doesnt have enough time to eject due to the slide not recoiling fully.(but possibly ejector issue)

The slide not fully recoiling would IMHO have 3 possible causes.

- light ammo/too hard recoil spring - not likely if it is factory stuff, but might need a few rounds to break in the spring

- Dirt or grime such as cosmoline slowing the slide down - very likely without a hardcore clean before shooting - wipe down doesn't cut it

- Limp wristing - as I said before it is a common issue don't feel bad, just practice

I'd say give your gun a serious scrub down with some Hoppes, or other solvent to get rid of all that cosmoline. Oil it up and take it to the range paying close attention to your grip especially your wrists locking up.
 
Most of this has probly been mentioned but im goin to add my two cents, I also own a norinco 1911A1 sport, that oil that was on your gun when you got it is not really gun oil, its packing oil for shipping, you should have completly disasembled the gun and take out all the springs, dont forget the plunger tube spring as well as hammer spring, then soak every part in gun cleaner, like hoppes or i recomend M-PRO 7, hard to find but its non toxic no odour and works awsome, wipe everything down remove all traces of sludge, then lightly oil everything again i recommend M-PRO 7 oil. reassemble the gun.

Do the same to the magazines disasemble them but before you oil look inside the mag you should be able to see a very rough weld running the length of the inside of the mag get yourself a file and some 400 grit sand paper and make that weld smooth, the amunition does not like to slide over rough surfaces also the mag follower will catch on this seem weld and will cause failure to feed now you should also polish the edges of the follower itself to help it slide up the mag without catching and digging in.

i only use fmj or ball ammo mostly blazer, this will give you the most reliability because thats what the 1911 was built for, theres lots of info on the web about the 1911 learn everything you can. knowing is half the battle, i recomend polishing the breech face, feed ramp, and extracter look it up.

also getting yourself some MEC-GAR mags from Marster is a huge help for reliability these mags are perfect out of the box no polish needed, wolfe springs are also a huge advantage and cheap upgrade from those chinese springs that are in your gun, and your mags, if you dont know what your doing take it to a gunsmith they can install springs for very little money

Norinco 1911's are good guns they just need a little TLC even out of the box read and learn all you can about the 1911, again dont use hollow points or winclean truncated cone ammo only fmj and you shouldnt have many problems.
 
Trigun said:
Well looks like you won't give up any chance to jump on 1911, but that's all good. Those Norinco comes with heavy packing grease, most of the time a simple cleaning is not enough specially the extractor gum up with grease and it is also the area that people missed out. I agree that 1911 may not be the best design but it is the funnest gun to own for this hobby. There has to be a reason that so many people at hooked, just like the glock. open your mind brother.

Trigun
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How is a 1911 that doesn't work from the box and requires more maintenance than a prom queen fun to shoot?

Shooting to some is a hobby, for others its a practical skill set. If you're in the later group, a reliable firearm is paramount.

I'd say most are hooked out of ignorance and hollywood hype/romance over the design.

Firearms are tools, designed for a specific purpose, not mantle pieces to be oohed and aaahed over.

TDC
 
TDC said:
How is a 1911 that doesn't work from the box and requires more maintenance than a prom queen fun to shoot?

Shooting to some is a hobby, for others its a practical skill set. If you're in the later group, a reliable firearm is paramount.

I'd say most are hooked out of ignorance and hollywood hype/romance over the design.

Firearms are tools, designed for a specific purpose, not mantle pieces to be oohed and aaahed over.

TDC
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It seems to have a little arguement is something will happen daily with you:D

It is not every 1911 won't shoot right out of the box, most of them can shoot just like any other guns. However some gun like CZ, Ruger and norinco will noramly packed with heavy grease and require cleaning and I think nothing wrong with that. If you think people hooked with 1911 because of hollywood and is wrong.

Trigun
 
TDC said:
Firearms are tools, designed for a specific purpose, not mantle pieces to be oohed and aaahed over.

TDC
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So are we all to simply accept your opinion as truth, and submit to your will?

Wendy is that you? LOL

Is it not possible that some might have a different opinion and collect guns of all types because they consider them art, or pieces of history.

Why would so many people have so many guns?

Even possibly many guns in the same caliber!:eek:

Some people buy guns and don't even shoot them!:eek:
 
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So your firearm is stove pipping.

And fyi it is a magazine your norc uses not a clip.

Every new firearm has a break in period, that could be the issue.

When i got my first hand gun (g17), i would get alot of stove pipes to, then a buddy of mine told me i was limp wristing and showed me proper form and now i have no stove pipes.

Sometimes it is you and not the firearm that has something wrong with it.

Let a buddy try shooting it and see if it has any problems with it, then it is a firearm issue.

What i suggest is give your gun a good rub down again and oil it nice and see if it fix's it.

If not let a expert friend or local gun smith take a look at it, before you waste time and money and ship it back to dealer.
 
Hollywood? Really lol? Wonder how many glock were around in say 1911? Thats like saying a 67 mustang is crap because its not fuel injected and has no power windows and needs more maintenance, and a honda civic is better because it starts every time and gets better gas mileage. Rock on tupperware man.


TDC said:
How is a 1911 that doesn't work from the box and requires more maintenance than a prom queen fun to shoot?

Shooting to some is a hobby, for others its a practical skill set. If you're in the later group, a reliable firearm is paramount.

I'd say most are hooked out of ignorance and hollywood hype/romance over the design.

Firearms are tools, designed for a specific purpose, not mantle pieces to be oohed and aaahed over.

TDC
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Geof, along with all the other advice about cleaning the slide to frame tracks and barrel grooves better and using a good gun oil and possible limp wrist or loose grip issues be sure that the way you grip the gun does not result in a thumb pressing against the side of the slide when you shoot. The friction from your thumb against the slide can easily slow the slide down enough that it won't cycle fully and stuck casings can result.

One way to test that your slide is moving freely enough and that the gun is correctly cleaned and oiled is to load only one round and shoot it. A properly operating gun in all respects will eject the empty case up and away a good two feet and the slide will lock back. If the ejection energy of the empty is much less energetic and the slide doesn't lock back from only shooting one round your slide is dragging on the frame, the barrel bushing is dragging on the barrel or your recoil spring is too stiff.... or one or both of your thumbs is still riding on the slide.

If the slide locks back but the casing doesn't spit out with good energy and distance then I suspect that the guys commenting on the extractor may well have something.

This is all based on single shots with magazine in place. If the gun seems good but then fails again when shooting a full or partial magazine then there's something else fouling things up. At that point it won't be a simple cure and I'd suggest it's time to return it for some warranty gunsmithing on the dealer's coin.
 
Stove pipe'n is caused by a couple things,
weak grip "limp wristing"
pressure on the slide from your thumb or pushing up on the safety causing the slide to short stroke.
shock buffs causing the slide to short stroke.
dry/dirty, slowing down slide
untuned extractor, too much tension holding the case in. If it didn't have enough then the case would still be in the chamber.
weak ammo
since the rounds are getting into the chamber, that rules out the mag being a problem.

I'd bet weak grip, then extractor.
easiest test is to let someone else shoot it to see if its a gun or shooter issue.
if its a gun issue, clean it and oil it, 1911's run better wet
to check your extractor, you can use a tension gauge, do it by feel as outlined in the ed brown bench ref. I have my own way, I remove the recoil spring, and make sure I can cycle the gun with one hand, ninja load method [youtube]D7stLQvsDX8?fs[/youtube]
 
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After a thorough cleaning, if it is still stovepiping I'd try a different magazine, preferably a known brand magazine that works well in another 1911.

I have Mecgars for my NP-29 and they have been very reliable for me.
 
Heard all this stuff when my brand new S&W 1911 jammed as you are describing. Tried everything. Had guys at the range try it, tried different grip, ammo, on and on and on. Finally took it back to the store and they sent it to S&W warranty and never saw it again (9 months). Finally the gun store gave me a full credit and I bought a Kimber 1911....guess what? The Kimber shoots flawlessly right out of the box, no jams, stove pipes nada! Over 500 rounds and no problems, very accurate as well. IMHO take it back and get another one! If it is jamming like you say it is there is no fixing it! Get a new one! Good luck!
 
Geof said:
So I load in the magazine and pull back the slide. The first round always fires, but then every so often the thing doesn't shoot. Usually the casing is stuck between the magazine and the chamber--in other words the slide is partially open and the casing is kind of stuck in an awkward position. Not sure if that helps describe it.
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mlehtovaara said:
This is going to have the exact opposite effect of what would correct the problem. The failure to eject is caused when the casing doesnt have enough time to eject due to the slide not recoiling fully.(but possibly ejector issue)

The slide not fully recoiling would IMHO have 3 possible causes.

- light ammo/too hard recoil spring - not likely if it is factory stuff, but might need a few rounds to break in the spring

- Dirt or grime such as cosmoline slowing the slide down - very likely without a hardcore clean before shooting - wipe down doesn't cut it

- Limp wristing - as I said before it is a common issue don't feel bad, just practice
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I may not be understanding this, but that does not sound like a stove pipe, that sounds like the slide is not slamming back hard enough to cycle the next round. Same as if you did a sling shot but kept your hand on the slide and brought it back too slowly. A stovepipe would be where the case is sticking out of the slide. When you say it is stuck between the magazine and the chamber do you mean a full round or the casing? I know you say casing, but I can't picture a case stuck between the mag and chamber as you are describing.
 
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Back to the OP: It is also POSSIBLE that you just have a lemon, which is something that all of the Norinco fan boys refuse to admit is possible. If a good cleaning and good quality mags fail to remedy the situation, then I suggest you contact the retailer for warranty advice (assuming you bought pistol new?), before you go monkeying about with any parts swapping.

In the 20 or so handguns I have owned over my lifetime, my Norc 1911A1 was the worst, ever - period. Apparently I was delusional, though, as when I mention this fact, I get shouted down as a naysayer.

I wish you the best of luck with your pistol, but it sounds like it may be off to a rough start, and do you really want to spend the purchase price again in trying to make it reliable? There is absolutely NO reason a new firearm should be hiccuping like yours, if clean and properly lubricated, with factory ammunition and good mags, unless something else is wrong.

Keep us posted!
 
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