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Who is doing what specifically?
I only came here out of curiosity but when I saw all the unfriendly comments about Vinny, I decided to defend him. He's doesn't need me to be his Mom, and he asked me not to bother coming here, but he's done so much for HK (real gun and airsoft), Macau and the rest of IPSC, I think I owe him this much.
Does the entire membership vote as individuals on each and every item in IPSC Canada (or the USPSA)? AFAIK, the members elect the voters, and there's one voter for each Area no matter how big or small it is. Is Ontario the same size as BC or NS? If not, how can each Area having 1 vote be fair?
You should lead by example, not by megaphone!
So what? You have IPSC Canada. I don't see your point. Vinny once told us a joke at a dinner "Americans don't play well with others, including other Americans" and he used that to explain why groups like IDPA, GSSF(?) and others broke away from USPSA (not from IPSC) to go their own way.
I'm not clear why Vinny left Brian's forum but it had something to do with the Admin (Flexmonkey?) there being one-sided. Brian's forum is also commercial and it deals with many shooting games. The GV is purely IPSC and its been very successful.
Flexmonkey? rather childish. Flex(who is a member here aswell) is far from one sided. Yes it has a seperate area for sponsors/dealers info, nothing wrong with that. The fact that it has shooters from different sports is a plus, more knowledge to be shared. Just because someone doesn't shoot IPSC doesn't mean they can't teach something which can be applied to it.
thats interseting as many people have that view about him
IDPA and GSSF didn't break away from USPSA, GSSF is its own game. IDPA was made because some shooters wanted to go in a different route then where USPSA was going.
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If you shoot only USPSA you don't even have to be a member in a canadian IPSC region !!
But great suggestion, I will read it again since I know nothing !
I wonder what the actual tally of Canadians and Americans that have been Banished from the Global Village is? And who Banished them, I mean which Moderator or Admin?
This thread seems to be getting off topic......has anyone dug any info up on this Mystery Canadian IPSC shooter yet?
This thread seems to be getting off topic......has anyone dug any info up on this Mystery Canadian IPSC shooter yet?
stormbringer
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Regarding the vote issue...........
I also gave that some thought and I think much of my problem has to so with the original organizational structure of IPSC.
THe problem as I see it is the C in IPSC. Confederation. That is why we can have a group of 100 or less people having just as much power as a group of 20,000 people. Which means that in reality 200 people can rule over 20,200 people. That is the problem.
That is what has caused many of the problems with IPSC (from my perpective).
What would work better from my perspective would be a Parlmentary System in which members are able to vote at an individual level for the BOD. With modern communications that should be very easy to acomplish.
To account for regional population discrepencies we could use an elected Senate to operate in conjuntion with an elected Parliement based on poplulation.
7.62.........I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Robert Steinfort does not appear to exist in reality. That does not mean anything unscroupulous as it could be as easy as a typo.
I also gave that some thought and I think much of my problem has to so with the original organizational structure of IPSC.
THe problem as I see it is the C in IPSC. Confederation. That is why we can have a group of 100 or less people having just as much power as a group of 20,000 people. Which means that in reality 200 people can rule over 20,200 people. That is the problem.
That is what has caused many of the problems with IPSC (from my perpective).
What would work better from my perspective would be a Parlmentary System in which members are able to vote at an individual level for the BOD. With modern communications that should be very easy to acomplish.
To account for regional population discrepencies we could use an elected Senate to operate in conjuntion with an elected Parliement based on poplulation.
7.62.........I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Robert Steinfort does not appear to exist in reality. That does not mean anything unscroupulous as it could be as easy as a typo.
That's how it work now isn't it?
The voting is done at the General Assembly by the Regional Directors...which are elected by the Regions. That is the voting power.
The President is elected by the General Assembly...
The rest of the "Presidential Appointments" are just administrative positions (non voting).
I'm not suggesting it's perfect. I personally don't like the 1 vote per region regardless of number of members...but I doubt there is a perfect solution. No matter what the structure is...someone is going to complain.
stormbringer
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Did anyone say that Vinny has not done wonders for IPSC? Actully not much was said about Vinny at all other than the fact that he might be able to shed some light onto this mystery.
That said......do you think that the great things Vinny has done can not be countered by what he does wrong? I try to do good things for IPSC and Canadian shooters yet you seem to think that I am the devil incarnate. Perhaps Vinny and I have more in common than you, he or I care to admit.
No that would be government by referendum which is very clumsy. The trick of course is the population differences are not quite as large in those groups. But even then I would say that it could be improved.
Simple ............IT CAN"T. However the local groups are just smaller clones of the larger body with the same problems. It is the entire SYSTEM that is at fault. I do not think that when IPSC was first started they thought that it would grow as much. So they did not anticipate these issues.
I do
Which is ruled from afar by people who do not live here, who do not care what goes on here.
There you have it.........the Secretary of IPSC insulting 20,000 shooters by far the largest component of IPSC. And you do not see a problem with that?
My god woman are you that blind!!!
Why don't you ask? But Beno is commercial.........because it has to pay for itself.
That brings up an important question. Who pays for GV?
That's my point. If you don't do things the way I want to do them, I'll start my own group. There's a thread at the GV about Multigun and that mentions many competing groups in the USA with different rules.
Vinny ran a short seminar at our Action Air match today so I asked him. He said you can see the list under Members / Banned. He also said that as Admin he's the only person who can ban someone.
The USA has more than half the IPSC shooters in the world?? Where did you get that info?
Why don't you pose these questions directly to Vinny? I'm only his defender not his answering machine!
stormbringer
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Holy CRAP!!
I think you are onto something.
Ian Fachie is not a Mod on GV he is an admin (IT sort of guy).
Could it be that Robert Steinfort is the "nomdeplume" of Ian Fachie???
That would make some sense!!
Ian would be in the loop no doubt with regard to the Ezine so he could write a letter of that sort praising the Ezine before it has been released.
He might not be an actualy IPSC shooter (I have never met him at a match at least). But he does know IPSC and does not have to be a member.
It seems to fill in all the voids in our mystery!!
See Pokpok.........you can help things come to light even when you are not trying!!
Well...that's a double edged sword Pat. The USpsa ...is only IPSC by convenience. If the US could maintain their World Shoot slots and not host any IPSC matches...they would. As it stands now finding an IPSC Match (by IPSC rules) in the US is about as hard as finding a Democrat in Alaska.
I'm not suggesting they are better or worse (they do seem to have less internal strife)...just stating the facts.
They're not IPSC's drunk cousin...they're the rich uncle, they just don't visit very often
Of course not but the only ones who always say he's always wrong are you and others here. Just becoz 10 Ontarians hate him doesn't mean he's bad news.
So get elected IPSC President and fix it instead of always complaining.
You call that an insult, but you do nothing to stop nasty comments about Vinny here. Double standard?
stormbringer
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I think that it is only the Ontarians (for the most part) who perhaps care enough to declare that the "Emperor has no clothes".
Ah but that is the catch 22 isnt it. With the current system that is IMPOSSIBLE.
It is an insult of that there can be no doubt.
As to double standards. The CGN rules are quite clear. No Personal insults to fellow CGN members. Thus if someone were to insult YOU they would be called to task for it. VP does not post here so he is fair game. Not to mention from what I see most of the posts regarding him are directed to his ACTIONS not his person.
His words are directed at the entire membership of USPSA and that is indeed shameful.
Interesting timing! Thanks for your response, and asking at your seminar, you are proving to be most useful!
