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I just got back from the range with my M14. I noticed that there was lots of bits and pieces of brass(dust like) in and around the chamber area, the bolt face, and under in the receiver area. I am shooting Federal Power Shok ammo. Does your guys M14s do the same?
I also had a Marstar scope mount ($149 one) for the rifle but found that the shells were hitting the mount and was throwing the scope off. I removed it and am now shooting the iron sights which are perfect. Does anyone also experience the same with this mount? I like the gun but am probably gonna sell it.
 
NamSurvivor, in Vietnam did your M-14 of M-16 not have brass shavings on the bolt, in the chamber and in the receiver? Surely you fired semi-automatic rifles before. This is narural.
Don't sell the rifle because of that. Any semi-automatic will be the same.
 
Reflect upon the physics of a semi-automatic firearm loading, firing, extracting, ejecting and reloading a cartridge. Every step is a choreography of tension and release between sharp metal edges and springs, achieved by sudden force. Oil smooths the steel and accelerates the motion. Brass is soft; steel is hard. Every time brass the moved by steel, some of it will stay behind. That is reality.

Now Young Grasshopper, without getting your feet wet, walk silently across the lily pond. Your lesson is done for today.

( ( If brass dust in a battle rifle offends you, look between your toes or under the seat of the car. There be dragons feeding on fungus! ) )
 
Back in Laos, we were issued the M1 garand. I dont remember noticing it on any other semi autos that I've fired. Upon closer inspection, it seems that the bolt is scraping on the following round in the magazine as it chambers a round. I was resting the rifle by the magazine so maybe that may have caused excessive scraping. I really like the rifle but the weight is causing some aching. I'm use to using the M1 carbine for deer hunting but the M14 is going to be staying home a lot.
 
I don't find my M14 is too heavy for hunting...I spent a week last season hunting, mostly walking, with my rifle and I have no complaints what so ever. It's only 14 pounds...not that bad really.
 
NamSurvivor said:
Back in Laos, we were issued the M1 garand. I dont remember noticing it on any other semi autos that I've fired. Upon closer inspection, it seems that the bolt is scraping on the following round in the magazine as it chambers a round. I was resting the rifle by the magazine so maybe that may have caused excessive scraping. I really like the rifle but the weight is causing some aching. I'm use to using the M1 carbine for deer hunting but the M14 is going to be staying home a lot.
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The M1 garand was replaced by the M14 in 1957-1958:rolleyes:
Did you get a head start on the war?:D
 
In Laos, the americans never gave us the m14 or m16. We were issued M1 garands and M1 carbines. M14 never made it to Laos. You should go do some research before you post your facts.
 
NamSurvivor said:
Back in Laos, we were issued the M1 garand. I dont remember noticing it on any other semi autos that I've fired. Upon closer inspection, it seems that the bolt is scraping on the following round in the magazine as it chambers a round. I was resting the rifle by the magazine so maybe that may have caused excessive scraping. I really like the rifle but the weight is causing some aching. I'm use to using the M1 carbine for deer hunting but the M14 is going to be staying home a lot.
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Well some Garands were shuffled around in service concurrent with the M14s, but regardless of that...the part about the bolt touching the next round, did you not notice this on your M1 Carbine, your Garand or basically any repeater?
 
I never noticed it on the carbine or the garand, and this is the first time I noticed it on this rifle as well. I've put a few rounds through it and only noticed the yellow marks but not the filings. The bolt face turned yellow with the brass but with the nickel plated winchester supreme ballistic tips, I never noticed any filings or marks except a few deep scratches on the shells. The soft points also had severly damaged tips with deep scratches as well.
 
All of my autos are full of little brass filings after a few rounds. It is not a problem. Yes the feed ramps will really beat up soft points. I use ballistic tips, or Barnes TSX bullets. They work great!

I have no experience with the marstar scope mount so I am not much help. Did you have it mounted properly with blue loctite? Every now and then I do get a shell that nicks my mount, but it never causes any problems. Does it hit the mount often??
 
NamSurvivor said:
Back in Laos, we were issued the M1 garand. I dont remember noticing it on any other semi autos that I've fired. Upon closer inspection, it seems that the bolt is scraping on the following round in the magazine as it chambers a round. I was resting the rifle by the magazine so maybe that may have caused excessive scraping. I really like the rifle but the weight is causing some aching. I'm use to using the M1 carbine for deer hunting but the M14 is going to be staying home a lot.
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that depends on both the rifle( you can't use a restricted for hunting which a lot of m1 carbines are) and the cartridge - it's been a while, but there was or might be something in the hunting regs about minimum cartridge length- i know here in alberta it had to be 2 inches or over a while back- the 30 cal carbine is a minimum, marginal cartridge for deer-
 
( you can't use a restricted for hunting which a lot of m1 carbines are)
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FYI,the M1 carbine I have has an extended barrel to 19" inches which makes it "non restricted". The rifle doesnt look as nice as the original but it'll have to do without being restricted.
 
NamSurvivor said:
In Laos, the americans never gave us the m14 or m16. We were issued M1 garands and M1 carbines. M14 never made it to Laos. You should go do some research before you post your facts.
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Okay, I'll bite? Who were you over there with and what years did you carry an M1 Garand?
 
Royal Lao Army 2nd Division Infantry stationed at Long Cheng. The americans gave us M1 garands which were standard issue for us Hmong(68-78). We were the guys protecting the yanks up at Lima Site 85 and rescueing downed american pilots along the Ho Chi Minh trail in southern Laos. The war officially ended in 75 but continued fighting until we reached the refugee camps in Thailand.
 
No apolgies needed. Not much has been said about our part in the war and the United States still denie any involvement to this day. Our people were armed and trained by the CIA and later merged with the RLG army. They did not give us sufficient weapons to fight the NVA and pathet lao forces we were faced against. As for the rifle, I just brought the rifle in to the local gun shop and had my friend look at it. He said the gun has excessive filings, some of it was still found in the magazine and the underside of the receiver, but said to put another hundred rounds through it to wear it in more and see what happens. I also had a problem with the operating rod coming off on the same rifle and he said the same thing. I tried it and it has not re occured after 100 rds. The rifle has no visible wear yet except under the bolt where it really scrapes the following round, which is actually starting to wear and a fine scrape line is becoming more present. Also one thing I forgot to mention is that the scraping varies from one magazine to another. One of the two 5/20s that I have has excessive wear while the other is fine. The short 5 is also fine.
 
Not an expert, but have you put a light coat of grease on the underside of the bolt and smeared it with your finger. In Duff's "Shooting and Match Conditioning the M14" that is one of the places he recommends putting grease. All you M14 owners out there would probably love this book, it's a treasure for the real world info. it contains. Hope this helps.
 
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