Brass from the States.

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I'll appologize in advance becasue I did a search and couldn't find what I was looking for.Most likely I have missed it.

I'm building a rifle in 6XC.I have a 5R barrel on the way.What is legal to bring across from the US in the way of brass and bullets?
Although I can do the paperwork to get stuff over,I'd much rather just go pick it up.Can someone clear it up for me please?
 
Wrong.........

CANNOT BRING ANY COMPONENT IN BULLET MAKING LEGALLY ACROSS THE BORDER WITHOUT IMPORT/EXPORT PAPERWORK. This is brass, powder, primers, projectiles. In Canadian terms it is not illegal as long as you under the alloted limits and claim accordingly at the border. In the US eyes they need export paperwork to do so LEGALLY.

Loaded ammo is illegal as well.

Dies, presses are okay as they are classified as a tool.

Look at LEGAL LEASE forum question 4.
 
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from the NRCAN web site:

"An Exemption Table is noted in the Explosive Regulations that outlines what types and quantities of explosives can be imported into Canada for personal use and not for sale without requiring an Importation Permit, e.g., ammunition, propellant powders, safety flares, etc. Normally, those Canadians wishing to import ammunition for personal use can bring back up to 5000 rounds without requiring an Importation Permit. You may wish to contact the local Canada Customs Office nearest you for details on what your personal exemption limit for duty and taxes would be. In general, for personal use, non-residents can import 200 rounds duty free for hunting purposes, or up to 1500 rounds duty free for use at a recognized shooting competition. Non-residents who are moving from the United States and only passing through Canada (in transit) can bring up to 5000 rounds per shipment without paying duty/taxes or requiring an Importation Permit. If firearms are present, they must also be declared. The Non-Resident Firearms Declaration must be presented in triplicate, unsigned, to a Canada Customs officer at your first point of entry into Canada. For further details on the importation of firearms, contact the Canada Border Services Agency nearest you or the Canadian Firearms Centre, or call 1-800-731-4000."

Yes, you can bring back ammuntion and componets from the US with no problems. Just declare them when they ask " did you buy or recieve any goods with visiting the states?"

If you have concerns you can call the folks at NRCAN and make sure the products you are buying are on the ok list.

I did my first time and they are really quick at getting back to you by fax with nice clearance letters.



I would only be concerned if you may be trying to bring in some of that corrosive mercury/lead/kryptonite primer ammo for the SKS's.

I would be more concerned with beer and tobacco at the border than ammuntion.

If you have more concerns or questions ask shooters from your club that go to the US to shoot. They are a wealth of info.
 
Thats all fine and dandy BUT Canadian laws DO NOT APPLY in the UNITED STATES US LAWS APPLY

the ATF could care less what canada customs or nrcan says

IF you are stopped on the U.S side you will be in a world of trouble you may fined lose your goods and car or become a guest for a while and be banned from entering the us
 
Two aspects to this. Importation into Canada. Export from the United States. Importation into Canada is not a problem. Pay the taxes. Export from the US requires a State Department export permit. You cannot get one. A US exporter can. If you are apprehended attempting to leave the US with these controlled items the penalties can be severe.
Suggesting that there is no problem buying in the US and bringing the goods back is incorrect and is promoting violation of US federal law.
 
I was inspected by US Customs two weeks ago as I was heading for Canada Customs. They detoured traffic, popped the trunk and sent me on my way to Canada Customs. If I had had reloading components, I would have been in a pile of doggie doo.

First time in over 20 years that I have been inspected LEAVING the U.S.

They DO check people exiting, its rare but it happens. Think about it before importing those 1000 once fired brass cases.
 
HONEST TO ####, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SAY THIS?

The problem is NOT on the Canadian side.
It is the EXPORT out of the US that is the difficult part.

Yes, you can bring in 5000 primers/loaded primed empties/live rounds, all is good once you are in Canada. But that doesn't help you much if you are observed leaving a US gun shop in a car with Canadian plates.

Sorry for losing my cool, but bad info has to be corrected.
 
"...from the NRCAN web site:..." That covers the Canadian Customs rules, but NOT the U.S. rules.
From the ATF's site:
"Nonimmigrant aliens generally are prohibited from possessing or receiving (purchasing) firearms and ammunition in the United States."
Unless you're hunting or at a match you can't have a firearm in your possession. And a State CCW permit does NOT take the place of a State hunting licence.
Reloading components are on the U.S. restricted list. You need the U.S. export permit that requires a Canadian import permit to get.
 
Simply put, you cannot be in possesion of these items in the US unless you have the proper paperwork. If you can make it to the Canadian border without being busted, fine. However, if you get caught by US authorities in possession with this stuff stateside, god help you.
 
If you go on Ebay there are several large brass dealers who regularily sell brass to Canadians and ship it to Canada by mail without the export permit. It is a requirement they chose to ignore. Their problem. I have ordered in the past two years 30-30 and .45acp brass from the US without any problems. Again it is th seller that is responsible for the export permits.

I would not attempt to buy and take possession of the brass Stateside though for all the reasons stated above.

Frankly the ATF have much bigger fish to fry then some Canadian with 500 once fired brass in their possession but that doesn't mean it won't get ugly if you were to be stopped.

Take Care

Bob
 
I agree with Canuck 44, however, if they put your name and address on a 'purchased illegal items' list, once they get their hands on you, it might get nasty. Why take the chance.
 
I suppose if these eBay sellers choose to ignore their country's laws, that's their business. If they are ignorant of the law, is it right to take advantage of their ignorance? Commercial violators af the export regulations are liable to fines of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ebay will report anyone they find in violation of the law. It is also contrary to CGN policy to promte or discuss violation of Canadian or foreign law.
 
perhaps, but it's not I as the purchaser/importer that is violating any laws by buying from a 'canada friendly' seller, technically. For all I know when I make a hypothetical purchase, the seller will make any necessary arrangements in accordance with his or her country's laws. I am the *importer* in such a ficticious scenario, and have taken care of all necessary import responsibilities (none). The seller is the exporter. I have no way of knowing whether a 'canada-friendly' seller will complete the necessary paperwork before mailing the package or not. All I know is whether or not the seller advertises that they will ship to Canada. If so, then the assumption is that they will make all necessary arrangements for export


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The exporter cannot comply with US export law without submitting a Canadian import permit with the export permit application. Unless there a Cdn permit was submitted with the order the US export permit will not be issued. So to say that it was assumed that the US seller was in compliance is a non starter. Such a transaction is either taking advantage of a seller's ignorance, or participationg in violation of US law.
 
Gibbs505 said: "if they put your name and address on a 'purchased illegal items' list, once they get their hands on you, it might get nasty."

What nonsense. What list and how? This is how internet rumours become fact. This comment fall s to fear mongering at best, idle gossip at worst.

tiriaq: Nobody here is breaking any Canadian or Foreign Laws nor are we discussing breaking same. Fact is there are sellers who regularily ship brass to Canada. whether they have an export permit or if indeed the ATF takes any interest in "hobby" sales is not known. Shooters on this forum ought to know this.
Given the fact a Canadian Import Permit is not required I suspect a US Export Permit would be forthcoming without the Canadian counterpart.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Gibbs505 said: "if they put your name and address on a 'purchased illegal items' list, once they get their hands on you, it might get nasty."

What nonsense. What list and how? This is how internet rumours become fact. This comment fall s to fear mongering at best, idle gossip at worst.

tiriaq: Nobody here is breaking any Canadian or Foreign Laws nor are we discussing breaking same. Fact is there are sellers who regularily ship brass to Canada. whether they have an export permit or if indeed the ATF takes any interest in "hobby" sales is not known. Shooters on this forum ought to know this.
Given the fact a Canadian Import Permit is not required I suspect a US Export Permit would be forthcoming without the Canadian counterpart.

Take Care

Bob
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Quite simple:
1: By monitering the purchases on ebay
2: Setting up a 'sting' operation.: or
3: By charging the seller and getting the purchasers name and address from them.
4: other methods, such as undercover op's, computor search's etc.

To get a US export permit, you have to supply a Canadian import certificate. Therefore, prima facia, you must know that the US law is being broken.

Remember, if you are inviolation of US laws, and then travel to the US, the apporite authorities do not care! They will charge you and leave it to you to get out of the mess.

I would rather not take the chance.

This is not
What list and how? This is how internet rumours become fact. This comment fall s to fear mongering at best, idle gossip at worst.
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I have personal knowledge of people who have travelled to the states and the been, after the fact, 'visited' by custom's officals regarding purchases made in the states. These things do happen. Big Brother is watching, and a damned sight closer then any of us may suspect!

Btw, anyone checked out the 'no fly' list yet? The only way you are going to find out if you are on it is by trying to fly and then getting escorted to a little room where you are interviewed!
 
Gibbs505

Do you really think the ATF or any police organization is going to set up a sting operation for a $40. purchase of .45acp brass? Please, with respect hundreds of millions of dollars of trade cross our borders every day, and you are suggesting the ATF is about to spend time tracking somebodies mail for that amount of brass. Really!

As a boolit hobby caster myself and friends in the US regularily send samples of boolits we have cast across the border for each to try out. All are declared on the export/import form attached to the packages and all go back and forth without seizure. Canada Customs occassionally opens a package to ensure there is no commercial value in side and none of my friends have ever had a package opened by US Customs. This also includes brass which we trade back and forth 9MM/.303 south; .45acp North.

Take Care

Bob
 
Gibbs505 said:
Quite simple:


I have personal knowledge of people who have travelled to the states and the been, after the fact, 'visited' by custom's officals regarding purchases made in the states. These things do happen. Big Brother is watching, and a damned sight closer then any of us may suspect!

Btw, anyone checked out the 'no fly' list yet? The only way you are going to find out if you are on it is by trying to fly and then getting escorted to a little room where you are interviewed!
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I can support that statement. The RCMP visited my Father 8 or 9 months after he purchased and had installed, in Florida, an awning on his motor home.
The RCMP were able to tell him the make, model, colour and price he paid.
It seems Revenue Canada has a reward program for snitches based on a % of the duty etc recovered. It is a simple matter for any store to simply "dump" the details of any obvious Canadian sale on a disc and forward it to Revenue Canada.

As to US Border folks checking you, I notice the border agents typing information into his terminal when you enter and produce your ID, so I assume there is some check being done.
 
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