Brasso my asso

Loaded and ready.
Charge is, well lets just say it exceeds SAAMI specs by a substantial margin, and leave it at that.
180 grain Hornady HP sized .4285
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I'm off to find a gravel pit
 
Owing to the primer shortage, loads #1, and #6 were loaded with rifle primers.
Wax Stripper
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Brasso
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Vinegar/Salt/Water
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Control
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10% Ammonia cleaner
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Pure Ammonia Cleaner
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{note, I made an error on the file names at the picture host site, corrected here}
 
In an effort to equalize the conditions, by pre-warming the rifle, I fired off ten rounds first. Same lot of old brass, same load.
The following pic, is not part of the test, but shows that even without Ammonia, or Brasso, this very thin, and very old brass is under stress at this load level.

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In conclusion.
This test, proves ONLY that the brass in this particular experiment was not affected enough to fail.

There is clear evidence that all chemicals used affected the brass to some degree.

However, it must be stated that the exposure level is many times higher than you would get by putting a few spoonfuls in with your media, particularly if you allow it to dry.

I encourage you to make your own conclusions.

CGN of course is not responsible for your conclusions.

Have fun, and play safe.
 
HEY >>>>>>>JYC:confused:..whats with you playing with all these chemicals and guns and stuff:confused:..
did you not just get a ...........awwwwww neaver mind:rolleyes:...

hows the bald spot?



BTW....thanks for the interesting experiment ...kind of interesting to follow it through......

need to tumble that brass?...i need to test out my experiment now:)
 
fogducker said:
HEY >>>>>>>JYC:confused:..whats with you playing with all these chemicals and guns and stuff:confused:..
did you not just get a ...........awwwwww neaver mind:rolleyes:...

hows the bald spot?



BTW....thanks for the interesting experiment ...kind of interesting to follow it through......

need to tumble that brass?...i need to test out my experiment now:)
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Some time when I'm feeling energetic I'll post about that ....... in OT.
Just in case there is another member suffering from the same thing.
Not here.
 
Well done Johnny.

I'll bet you a can of Brasso there will be another "Brasso is dangerous" thread by the end of August.......;)
 
There will always be naysayers and drama...and so it begins

I'd suggest you go in 0.000000000000001 degree steps, repeating the test each time. Make sure you raise the humidity 0.00000000000000000001 percent for each change in temperature and repeat. You'll also have to move the test area from place to place around the country to get a full grasp on the effects of different levels of air pollution...{and so on with much flippancy}.
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This response is breathtaking in its stupidity. I did not say John Y's test was slightly questionable, off by a little, in need of tweaking, short of precision or any other thing you may be alluding to. I said that it was wholesale useless because he tested the wrong thing. I applaud his initiative, and it was a decently designed test to ascertain the effects of Brasso in terms of dissolution. But dissolution is not and never was the issue, so his efforts don't really mean much. Sorry.
 
I've been tumbling 300WM brass is brasso for years. I get 12 to 15 loadings from my brass. I have never had a piece of 300WM brass crack ever, new, old, whatever. The only thing that makes me throw it away is the primer pockets get sloppy.

But I am very careful with it around horse manure........;):D
 
While someone made a good effort to disprove the fact that ammonia does no harm to brass, it was hardly scientific and conclusive. I would give him A+ for all the time & effort expended, though, and his objectivity.

So those who beleive the studies that do show that ammonia harms brass will continue to use non-ammonia products, and those that don't will continue to use Brasso.

Hey I smoked a cigarette yesterday, and I didn't get cancer - so all you smokers keep it up, ok? :rolleyes:
 
BattleRife said:
This response is breathtaking in its stupidity. I did not say John Y's test was slightly questionable, off by a little, in need of tweaking, short of precision or any other thing you may be alluding to. I said that it was wholesale useless because he tested the wrong thing. I applaud his initiative, and it was a decently designed test to ascertain the effects of Brasso in terms of dissolution. But dissolution is not and never was the issue, so his efforts don't really mean much. Sorry.
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I bet you're one of those guys who writes into the Mythbusters website to complain and tell them everything they did wrong. LOL!!!!

Brasso does not hurt brass in any way that is relevant to us.
 
Hoser-eh said:
While someone made a good effort to disprove the fact that ammonia does no harm to brass, it was hardly scientific and conclusive. I would give him A+ for all the time & effort expended, though, and his objectivity.

So those who beleive the studies that do show that ammonia harms brass will continue to use non-ammonia products, and those that don't will continue to use Brasso.

Hey I smoked a cigarette yesterday, and I didn't get cancer - so all you smokers keep it up, ok? :rolleyes:
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If you had followed this thread from the beginning you would know that the thread is not about ammonia harming brass. The originator of the thread said that up front.
 
The above info had me back looking at the cases again.
There is absolutely no doubt that the two ammonia cleanser cases are etched more than the Brasso.
Yet the Brasso, smells of ammonia worse than the cleanser.
Of all the tested cases, the Brasso case is closest to the control case, in appearance, even after firing.

I'm going to hypothesize, that the thick liquid, and other ingredients in Brasso, interfered with the action of the ammonia.
That being the case, a drum full of media would do so even more.
 
olegs69 said:
Agreed, some of BMG's posts appear to be caused by poor ventilation or the lack of spell checking, or a combination thereof.
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I think you both need to gather some more facts before you open your mouths!!!!!!!!!! Sorry of my spelling is not up to your standards but i could hardly care!!!

Hey did you even bother looking up the Lethal Dose of ammonia before you started typing away???? probably not!!! What about the exposure limits????? Darn you forgot to look those up to didn't you. bahahaha

Hey why dont you look those up and than get back to me and let me know just how many cans of BRASSO you have to dump on the floor in your garage before you can even hit the long term or short term exposure limit!!!!!!
 
John Y Cannuck said:
I'm going to hypothesize, that the thick liquid, and other ingredients in Brasso, interfered with the action of the ammonia.
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I'll go one further and hypothesize that other solvents in the brasso help evaporate the ammonia and thats why it smells stronger.
 
fogducker said:
HEY >>>>>>>JYC:confused:..whats with you playing with all these chemicals and guns and stuff:confused:..
did you not just get a ...........awwwwww neaver mind:rolleyes:...

hows the bald spot?



BTW....thanks for the interesting experiment ...kind of interesting to follow it through......

need to tumble that brass?...i need to test out my experiment now:)
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It's been a year since I did this test, and what Fogducker was referring to, is that I was doing this test, about two days after my heart operation.
A Gunnut, is a Gunnut, what can I say?
 
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