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Going to resume this discussion over here in B&G to keep from offending the O/U crowd ;)

Kingarmory, how much would you say your breacher/FH tightens the pattern? Have you done much patterning to see just how much improvement there is?

Generally 15-60% pattern reduction is pretty normal. Obviously the shotgun, the ammo, and the barrel bore can improve or reduce that. We sent one to FMD on SGW back in early-2008 to T&E and do a write-up on for his Rem1148 project (Google 'KA-1212') and you'll find the writeup. and the results he had were pretty typical. On a LE demo a couple weeks ago we were out at the range watching them do their end-of-year quals with handguns and shotguns. The demo was immediately after the quals and we had some of the officers go out and shoot the 15yd session from 20-25yds with the same ammo but out of our 16+2" Rem870 breacher instead of their 20" Rem870 patrol shotguns. They were getting similar scores but at an additional 5-10 yds back. At 10-15yds it was blowing chunks out of the silhouette targets (which made a lot of the officers grin in a very disturbing way :D)

I usually use the semi-auto with a cylinder bore and 20.5" barrel (including the brake) to shoot clays and dove with and it works great in that capacity. The patterning also tends to be very tight in the middle so when shooting clays you really gotta aim to get solid hits. I was out at the local range shooting clays with a guy running a choked Benelli Nova 20ga (26" barrel if I remember correctly) the other day and was able to hit clays a lot further out than his 20ga would reach. BTW, those Novas are nice shooters, especially for the $$$. We traded guns for awhile and I was surprised how well that Nova handled and pointed, had a hard time getting over the 'airsoft' feel of the gun though.

That semi-auto generally shoots a 6" pattern at 15yds using standard Remington 9pel 00buck rounds. Federal Flite-Control (awesome ammo) patterns about 4" at that range. That's not a guarantee of what all shotguns will do with the KA-1212, but it is a good example of what it can do.

The breacher is meant for LE use and about 70% of them are sold to LE, but they will shoot better than a lot of chokes will. Been thinking about putting together an O/U with the bottom barrel outfitted with the KA-1212 brake (non-breacher) just to piss off the Fudds at the range :p
 
We're also looking at moving some of the production of those to Canada in 2011 to supply the Canadian market. Dealing with the import/export issues precludes us from selling direct to Canadian customers, so hopefully this will open some new inroads in the "Great White North" ;)
 
BTW, has anyone shot one of the new Remington TAC shotguns with the breacher choke on them? Haven't had one in to test-drive yet and was just curious what the general opinion was on them. Would like to pick one up to use as a comparison against our Remington at the LE demos, but I haven't even heard of any departments picking them up for SWAT use or anything so it may not be a good unit to compare to. Most of the departments seem to be running Rem870 MCS systems from what we've had come through here.
 
are you referring to the 870 express tactical with breaching choke? if so its a cyl bore so I dont beleive they improve patterns. Your brake almost has me thinking about having some threads spun on my Supernova Tactical...I cant do internal threads due to the chrome lined bore. Damn now I need another shotgun to test this thing on :D 4 and 6 inch patterns at 15 yds sounds great
 
Greetings,

Found you in the right forum and I am looking forward to this piece of equipment heading north of the border.

Just to show you what I am starting with, here is the Stevens 350 Security my fiancee got me as an early Christmas present (The other early Christmas present was a Jericho in 9mm, I am a lucky SOB :D )

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The flashlight attachment I just got and put on today.


Thanks,

Matt
 
Our unit is .019" larger than cylinder bore (gotta err on the side of caution since 12ga bores vary widely). Basically our unit dumps the propellant out from behind the shotwad before it leaves the breacher/brake. This means that there isn't much muzzleblast pushing on the shotwad as it leaves the brake so the wad isn't being forced open. That is how the tighter groups are achieved. Obviously with the possibility of less-lethal rounds or other specialty ammo being used, we really didn't want to put any kind of constriction in the bore like a choke would. I was just curious about the performance of the Remington unit since they seem to be getting more common, they don't appear to have as much venting and they appear to be a bit shorter. Was figuring they probably pattern pretty poorly but hadn't actually shot one yet. Really hate buying $500 guns just to see what we're competing against.
 
Paden, I'll look forward to seeing how that looks when installed. We haven't done any Stevens 350 barrels yet, but people are starting to ask. Those and that new Weatherby shotgun both seem to be getting a lot of interest.
 
they sell the remchoke breachers for $35 up here, but its just a ported cyl bore choke tube from what I can tell. I wouldnt imagine your brake has any effect on slugs then? Except the reduced flash and recoil/muzzle rise?
*edt* I just noticed it uses set screws! Kingarmory, Are you able to sell these in Canada yet?
 
You can get KA parts from S&J Hardware in Ontario, they are our exclusive distributor in Canada. Just let them know what you need and they'll get it for you.
 
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