Brenneke Black Magic slugs

In my opinion this is not just an NRCAN issue. As far as I can determine they are still awaiting samples and Brenneke is still trying to decide who will submit, who will pay and what the post approval distribution plan will be.
 
I just posted the question to the NRCAN website. If there is an answer or explanation, we might as well get it from the best possible source.
 
boomer49 said:
I just posted the question to the NRCAN website. If there is an answer or explanation, we might as well get it from the best possible source.
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Just got an answer this morning ... here's the cut-and-pasted question, and their reply ...

Your inquiry/Votre demande

Hello,
I am curious to know the reason(s) for the apparent unavailability of a certain type of firearm ammunition here in Canada. I have been told (perhaps incorrectly) that NRCAN has not issued its "approval" for the highly-regarded line of Brenneke shotgun shells. That may not be the case. Perhaps the manufacturer (for whatever reason) has not submitted the product for NRCAN approval. I live on a 4000-acre wilderness ranch on the eastern slope of the Rockies, snugged right up beside the mountains, and this is a true wilderness situation. If I am on foot I carry a 12-gauge shotgun for personal defence in the woods. And Brenneke slugs from Germany (commonly available in the U.S. and especially Alaska) are widely-regarded as (hands-down) the very best shells for protection against big dangerous animals. I would very much appreciate it if you folks could clarify this situation for me. Is this hold-up a regulatory issue? Many thanks.

And here's their answer ...

Reply to your inquiry/En réponse à votre demande

Hi,

I understand your concern but no one has applied to obtain authorization of Brenneke cartridges in Canada and that is why they are not on the list of authorized explosives.

However, as per section 45 of the Explosives Regulations, 2013, you may import up to 5000 rounds of ammunition for your personal use only without obtaining authorization or an explosives importation permit.

Should you have further questions, do not hesitate to contact us by phone at 613.948.5200.

So, it would appear that ... for whatever the reason ... the folks at Brenneke's "head office" can't be bothered with the Canadian market. I wonder if Brenneke shells can be purchased (and shipped) from a retailer in the U.K. or Germany or perhaps Sith Ifrica?
 
See my last post. Brenneke wants to distribute out of the US and into Canada. They are still trying to decide who will distribute in Canada and who will pay for the testing.
 
Shooting Centre said:
See my last post. Brenneke wants to distribute out of the US and into Canada. They are still trying to decide who will distribute in Canada and who will pay for the testing.
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Yes, I did see that ... and thank you. I was just trying to get the factual info solidly confirmed "straight from the horse's mouth".

So basically, the folks at Brenneke USA are just sitting on their hands ... basically dilly-dallying. Some folks just make too much money too easily. Where's that classic American "Can Do" attitude/spirit?

A few minutes ago I sent them an email (with a background explanation) of my cut-and-pasted Post #7.
 
There are several points you are missing. Brenneke wants distribution from the US. This is not necessarily what Canadian distributors want. Also, someone needs to import the ammo. So who is going to distribute. Brenneke has been in discussion with various distributors over the years and for various reasons negotiations fell apart. The fact that consumers want product is great, but they already know that. They are still awaiting a working relationship with a reputable Canadian importer.
 
Shooting Centre said:
There are several points you are missing. Brenneke wants distribution from the US. This is not necessarily what Canadian distributors want. Also, someone needs to import the ammo. So who is going to distribute. Brenneke has been in discussion with various distributors over the years and for various reasons negotiations fell apart. The fact that consumers want product is great, but they already know that. They are still awaiting a working relationship with a reputable Canadian importer.
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Hmmm ... at least six years of negotiations, in a situation where both parties seem to have an opportunity to make decent sales and a respectable profit. I would guess that one (or both) a them parties is bein' a dickhead. Intransigent, even. :)

I am (obviously) wondering if Brenneke USA will reply to my email and, if so, what the response might be. Exasperated? Resigned? Optimistic? Lackadaisical? Amused? Obfuscation?

Or one of many other possible words in my thesaurus?
 
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so it would seem that an individual could import these for personal use .i am wondering what hoops would need to be jumped through to bring this ammo in from the states legally .could it be shipped from a dealer in the states? please chime in if you know .
 
Hey Farmer 47,

I've been investigating this for days, just for the hell-of-it.

And so far, the fast answer to all of your questions is a slug-solid NO. Except for maybe the first one ... Canada is cool with your importing 5000 rounds of normal ammunition. But good luck trying to find a reputable seller in a foreign country who is OK with selling it to you. And the Excited States? Forget about it ... it's locked-down tighter than a ... drum.

BTW, I'm just looking-into this as a matter of curiosity. I already have a lifetime supply of those Black Magic shells ... four in my Marine Magnum (I just got back from working up in the valley) and a box of 5 more in careful storage.

Kinda like Elaine's sponges ... :)
 
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I think 'negotiations' run similar to this:

Big manufacturer wants little importer to foot that cost out of his own smaller bank account.

Canadian importer has to agree to shoulder the cost of the minimum ten of thousands of rounds, with zero chance of reimbersment from the manufacturer or the st@pid government agency.
Along with the addition grief that big brother just might find a silly reason to prevent approval of importation and lots of effort/time/cash is gone forever.

Canadian vendor will only recoup losses after approved importation from big brother and long down the road sales.

my two bits
 
NRCAN should be axed with the upcoming Common Sense Firearms Act.

If the ammunition is approved by SAAMI or CIP, more government involvement is equal to Krusty the Clown's superfluous third nipple IMO.

At a wild guess I think that NRCAN is some kind of frog employment program. lol
 
I with this from the OP's reply from NRCAN:
I understand your concern but no one has applied to obtain authorization of Brenneke cartridges in Canada and that is why they are not on the list of authorized explosives. However, as per section 45 of the Explosives Regulations, 2013, you may import up to 5000 rounds of ammunition for your personal use only without obtaining authorization or an explosives importation permit.
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If possible, importing through I Run Guns is realistically the best and maybe the only way for the OP to get the shells he desires at this time.
 
Brutus said:
I think 'negotiations' run similar to this:

Big manufacturer wants little importer to foot that cost out of his own smaller bank account.

Canadian importer has to agree to shoulder the cost of the minimum ten of thousands of rounds, with zero chance of reimbersment from the manufacturer or the st@pid government agency.

Along with the addition grief that big brother just might find a silly reason to prevent approval of importation and lots of effort/time/cash is gone forever.

Canadian vendor will only recoup losses after approved importation from big brother and long down the road sales.

my two bits
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Sounds totally possible ... I was unaware of the almost prohibitive cost/expense of the goofy bureaucracy of the Canadian "approvals" process. SAAMI isn't good enough?
 
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Brutus said:
NRCAN should be axed with the upcoming Common Sense Firearms Act.

If the ammunition is approved by SAAMI or CIP, more government involvement is equal to Krusty the Clown's superfluous third nipple IMO.

At a wild guess I think that NRCAN is some kind of frog employment program. lol
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It does seem to be an unwieldy bureaucracy ... for bureaucracy's sake. Especially in this case ...

EDIT - More current and up-to-date info is in the last few posts in the Brenneke "sticky" at the top of this Ammo Forum.
 
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The folks at Brenneke USA were too busy to respond to my über-polite query about the challenge of selling (from their perspective) and buying (from our perspective) their state-of-the-art shotgun shells in Canada.

As I have been saying for years ... some folks just make far too much money far too easily. It's quite common ...

I'll bet these folks continue to wear sea-green polyester leisure-suits ... with them white belts and matching loafers ... and still make $100K / month.


Hard-nosed Yankee traders ...
 
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