Bringing a 5.56-marked AR in the US for a training course - possible?

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Hi Everyone,

I'm interested in getting an AR. I might be interested in taking a tactical carbine course in the US.

What restrictions exist that would prevent me from bringing in an AR into the US for this purpose, e.g. 5.56 caliber markings, barrel length, country of manufacture?

Has anyone got any experience in being denied entry into the US with an AR15-variant rifle based on US State Dept. or other gov't dept. restrictions?

Cheers,

MarkT
 
Most training course are restricted to US citizens only. Unless approved by the US State Dept.
 
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fill out the form6 with a small game hunting permit. list every gun you have and all different types of ammo you will/would use in quantities of 500 or 1000 rounds.

they will sort through the list and cross off all they don't like. they won't do anything to you. don't worry.

just don't list the course for the reason for the permit.
 
markt said:
Hi Everyone,

I'm interested in getting an AR. I might be interested in taking a tactical carbine course in the US.

What restrictions exist that would prevent me from bringing in an AR into the US for this purpose, e.g. 5.56 caliber markings, barrel length, country of manufacture?

Has anyone got any experience in being denied entry into the US with an AR15-variant rifle based on US State Dept. or other gov't dept. restrictions?

Cheers,

MarkT
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In the application to ATF, you don't specify chamber type so .223 will do since that's the ammo you will shoot, which you also have to declare. If the barrel is 16" or longer you should be O.K. Three years ago I filled in a Form6 NIA and listed several handguns and two rifles, an AR-10 and an AR-15 (20" barrel). ATF did not approve the AR-10, which was made in the U.S., of course. When I talked to them over the phone I was told that the AR-10 was an "implement of war". I guess the AR-15 was viewed as a toy or something. :) Since then, regulations have changed a bit but you shouldn't have a problem with an AR-15 with 16" or longer barrel but check for sure due to bayonet lug and flash hider regulations.
 
Miltiades said:
ATF did not approve the AR-10, which was made in the U.S., of course. When I talked to them over the phone I was told that the AR-10 was an "implement of war". I guess the AR-15 was viewed as a toy or something. :)
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Maybe they should tell the army that, too. :cool:
 
markt said:
Is there a website that shows what's allowed and what is not?

Why would they refuse entry if going to a course as opposed to hunting?

Cheers,

MarkT
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Are you a non-US citizen so they won't let you, like I said before. Go on any of the websites of people offering training. They will not let you register unless you are a US citizen or get approval by the US State Dept. and the only ones that get approved are Mil/LE.
 
No training for you, Canuck!

Rebel Rouser said:
Are you a non-US citizen so they won't let you, like I said before. Go on any of the websites of people offering training. They will not let you register unless you are a US citizen or get approval by the US State Dept. and the only ones that get approved are Mil/LE.
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Apparently the "ITAR Regulations" prohibit them from providing training to non-US citizens. Ok, so if I'm not going to be allowed to take any training courses in the US anyway, I might as well go get a cool shorty AR in Canada and enjoy the thing up here and seek out some local training options.

Cheers,

MarkT
 
Miltiades said:
Since then, regulations have changed a bit but you shouldn't have a problem with an AR-15 with 16" or longer barrel but check for sure due to bayonet lug and flash hider regulations.
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The AWB died.

Bayo-lug and flash hider rules are not an issue except in states like New York and California...

That said.. the BATFE is a Federal regulator of Federal Law.
'Wise to bone up on the laws of the state(s) you plan on shooting in.
In all the years I've been carting my guns into the USA I've never run into a a problem.
 
Rebel Rouser said:
Are you a non-US citizen so they won't let you, like I said before. Go on any of the websites of people offering training. They will not let you register unless you are a US citizen or get approval by the US State Dept. and the only ones that get approved are Mil/LE.
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I was under the impression Canadians could go to the US to train. For example the Firearms Academy of Seattle has a specific page for Canadians. Basic info on how to get your Form 6 done. One would think if they are advertising it then it shouldn't be a problem.

That being said I have no idea what the quality of training is at this facility.
 
cowtown45 said:
I was under the impression Canadians could go to the US to train. For example the Firearms Academy of Seattle has a specific page for Canadians. Basic info on how to get your Form 6 done. One would think if they are advertising it then it shouldn't be a problem.

That being said I have no idea what the quality of training is at this facility.
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It's all the stupid ITAR rules.... Ask the US State Dept. Apparently all non-US citizen are terrorist.
 
markt said:
Apparently the "ITAR Regulations" prohibit them from providing training to non-US citizens. Ok, so if I'm not going to be allowed to take any training courses in the US anyway, I might as well go get a cool shorty AR in Canada and enjoy the thing up here and seek out some local training options.

Cheers,

MarkT
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I'm not trying to rain on your parade square, just giving you the facts. Save you from wasting your time.
 
cowtown45 said:
I was under the impression Canadians could go to the US to train. For example the Firearms Academy of Seattle has a specific page for Canadians. Basic info on how to get your Form 6 done. One would think if they are advertising it then it shouldn't be a problem.

That being said I have no idea what the quality of training is at this facility.
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I had a look at their page. The link to the ATF form doesn't work. I wonder how old the information is on it.

It would be nice to hear from someone who's been down with their AR successfully in recent times.

Cheers,

MarkT
 
Rebel Rouser said:
I'm not trying to rain on your parade square, just giving you the facts. Save you from wasting your time.
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No prob, man. I appreciate the input. It's just tricky when you hear conflicting information. I know this is dreaming but it would be nice if the State Dept had a nice chart showing how your gun can "qualify" for import.

Cheers,

MarkT
 
Rebel Rouser said:
It's all the stupid ITAR rules.... Ask the US State Dept. Apparently all non-US citizen are terrorist.
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It's pretty ironic that we as canadians can't train in the US, nor can we purchase everything from a huge list of firearms to optics and mounts. But after terrorists attacked US soil, we joined the fight in afghanistan (and now Iraq) and they still treat us like we are their adversaries.
 
It's all the stupid ITAR rules.... Ask the US State Dept. Apparently all non-US citizen are terrorist.
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I've heard it said that the "GOV" of the day (Liberal) could have sought(or were offered) and had us ITAR exempted? go figure!!

I was under the impression Canadians could go to the US to train. For example the Firearms Academy of Seattle has a specific page for Canadians. Basic info on how to get your Form 6 done. One would think if they are advertising it then it shouldn't be a problem.
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Quite possible, however most do it out of ignorance and at there own peril.The Blackwater facility has a
TTA(technical training agreement) with the CF.They vigorously enforce the ITAR regulation I suspect due to the fact they were on the "radar" for other issues.

I had to do the whole DSP-83 permit for the Glock Armorer's course and the $250 fee makes any training endeavor not so appealing in the US.Since most if not all courses insist you start with the very basic course and proceed from there.By the time your at the intermediate level, your at several thousand dollars later.For instance the Glock course is $150 all in for the US "joe" for the "Canuck"add the DSP-83 fee and the Cdn course fee $250+180=$430.Not so "appealing" anymore for an 8hr course is it.

I talked to LAV at SHOT about coming up to give a course in Canada, and he was not aware of the ITAR restriction.
Once you add in the DPS-83 fee and supporting paperwork, its not a viable option.
 
markt said:
Apparently the "ITAR Regulations" prohibit them from providing training to non-US citizens. Ok, so if I'm not going to be allowed to take any training courses in the US anyway, I might as well go get a cool shorty AR in Canada and enjoy the thing up here and seek out some local training options.

Cheers,

MarkT
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Contact One Shot Tactical, one of the banner dealers at the top of the page, check under ' Training ' or ' Courses ' and they should be able to assist you in commencing your 'journey down the road to enlightenment'.
 
Funny how they are so uptight about training Canadians yet they trained dictators and terrorist groups around the world for years. They even trained many of the people we are fighting today in Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
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