Bringing back from the States
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mildcustom2
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None, only reloading tools are not controlled. Tis includes primers, powder, projectiles and cases.
Not illegal by Canada customs, illegal by US laws.
Not illegal by Canada customs, illegal by US laws.
mildcustom2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Surrey, B.C.
Sorry for another post. I forgot the.....
NO,
There are NO LOOPHOLES.
If ANYONE (citizenship doesn't matter) wants to export from the US, any firearms, parts, optics, ammo, or reloading components (including projectiles), it must be done through a registered exporter. A registered exporter has an exemption that they don't have to get an individual export permit if the shipment is under $100. This "exemption" is not an exemption of ITAR, but an exemption that a registered exporter (not an individual, or anyone else) doesn't need to get an individual export license for the shipment.
BTW, the penalties that could be applied for exporting a single projectile are exactly the same for all ITAR controlled items (up to nuclear bombs)....
Typically if a person is caught exporting something like ammo or components, ALL purchases are confiscated and the person is banned from entering the US for a MINIMUM of 5 years (could be up to life). It is exceptionally easy for US Customs to put people on a ban list, a couple seconds, and they don't even need a reason. Maximum penalties are, well, lets just say you don't want to find out.
A ban entering the US also means being on the "No-Fly" list, so you can't even overfly US territory, even if you don't land. Which means to going to the Caribbean would have to be via Europe.....
BTW, it did happen to a CGN member a couple years ago over a questionable item. The item wasn't ITAR controlled, but he was banned anyway by the US Agent, and the member didn't even know until he tried to go to the US a couple weeks later .....
http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar_official.html
BTW, Canada doesn't really care what you IMPORT, but the US certainly cares what you EXPORT.
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You're trying to use logic here. Stop it before you really hurt yourself.
The ITAR documents are substantial and like most legal documents, require a lot of reading and then some interpretation at the end of the day. Then you have fact that the export of firearms, ammo and parts falls under two different US Departments: the US Dept of State regulates the export of handguns and rifles and tactical shotguns, and military scopes and ammunition and ammo components (and a whole pile of other things). The US Dept of Commerce regulates the export of sporting shotguns, and shotgun ammo and components, and sights/rings/mounts and non-military scopes.
Neither the US DoC nor the DoS have a list of OK stuff and not-OK stuff. This is because everything that is controlled under ITAR for export, also needs the manufacturer thereof to keep their paperwork current. One manufacturer's rifle stock might be OK to export (with all the export paperwork in order of course) because they have their manufacturing paperwork in order, while another manufacturer may have a very similar stock but if they have not bothered to even file the paperwork, their products can never be exported, even with all the other export paperwork in order.
Reloading tools are not regulated for export under ITAR. Automated reloading tools are regulated because they are considered commercial manufacturing equipment. I believe the automated equipment is specifically listed in the ITAR so it is definitely regulated for export but hobby equipment (you'r average Lee or Dillon or RCBS press and all the add ons) are not mentioned at all so they are not restricted for export.
You can bring back cleaning supplies, cleaning tools, wrenches and screwdrivers, etc. You can bring back reloading presses, dies, tool heads, parts, etc. as long as you don't have any actual components included (no bullets, no powder, no primers, no brass) because those things are specifically listed in the ITAR regs.
If you ever want a specific answer regarding does something really needs or does not need export paperwork, you have to identify the specific item, by manufacturer and SKU/Part Number, and then call the US DoS and DoC to get an answer from the horses mouth (or perhaps the other end of the beast). You'll probably need to ask for an answer in writing (good luck) if you have doubts and be prepared to educate the US agents at the border (if you're ever stopped) because they probably don't know the law either.
Best of luck.
mildcustom2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Surrey, B.C.
I have purchased reloading tools and grout them back from the US. Being 15 min from the US border it makes sense for me for certain hints as they are much cheaper or if I can't find it in Canada. I brought back my RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme, LEE Reloading Die Sets, Case Length Gauges etc etc etc. being a regular visitor to the US I stop and ask at US customs if I have any doubt or questions.
I declare everything and hide nothing. Last thing I need is to get into a heap of trouble over something.
Use the 'retailer search function' on the Hornady website, there are 40 Hornady dealers within 50 miles of Chicago, with one of the smaller dealers you could call and reserve one as most places will likley be have low stock, especially for the shell plates.
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I have found the search function does NOT work. This should be stickied as it gets asked almost daily.
i would say 99% of Canadian gun owners are un aware that they cannot bring powder, primers, bullets, brass, shot, hulls, wads or even loaded ammo into Canada from the US without proper exportation from the US. Forget about what Canada Customs says. You are in ILLEGAL possession in the US. If you are hunting or competing you can buy ammo and use it down there. You CANNOT bring it back to Canada with you. It MUST stay in the US.
i would say 99% of Canadian gun owners are un aware that they cannot bring powder, primers, bullets, brass, shot, hulls, wads or even loaded ammo into Canada from the US without proper exportation from the US. Forget about what Canada Customs says. You are in ILLEGAL possession in the US. If you are hunting or competing you can buy ammo and use it down there. You CANNOT bring it back to Canada with you. It MUST stay in the US.
