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Does anyone know whats all involved in bringing Tapco stocks and Magazines over from the States?

I have a Cottage a 1/2hour away from Sarnia and I know alot of Americans that go back and fourth every weekend, that would gladly bring stuff over for me. I just dont want to get them in trouble. I assume they have to Pin the Magazine to 5 rounds, but other than that is there anything else I should know.

I assume they will have to pay duty, but is it that hard to just keep your mouth shut about it and bring it back. What would happen if you didnt declare it and you got caught?
 
US side: Firearm parts cannot be exported from the US except by a licenced exporter.
If the total value is less than $100, and no barrels, cylinders, slides, receivers, etc. are involved the licenced exporter can file an export document, and the parts can then be legally exported.
If the value of the lot is over $100, or if contolled items are included, the licenced exporter must obtain a specific export permit for the shipment.
If your friends just bring the stuff over for you, and get caught on the US side, they will become ex-friends. They could be arrested and prosecuted. Fines can be severe; the vehicle could be forfeit. You will never see your items.
Cd. side. Get caught trying to evade taxes, and things would get unpleasant for your friends. The goods will be seized, they could be fined. CBSA is interested in the smuggling of firearms related goods.
 
Do it the legal way. You smuggle and your car can be seized on the spot. Minimum penalty 1000 AMPS. Plus criminal record and they will be searched every time they cross into Canada, if they would be allowed to cross and that is big "IF"

Stay away from trouble :)

blueflash said:
Does anyone know whats all involved in bringing Tapco stocks and Magazines over from the States?

I have a Cottage a 1/2hour away from Sarnia and I know alot of Americans that go back and fourth every weekend, that would gladly bring stuff over for me. I just dont want to get them in trouble. I assume they have to Pin the Magazine to 5 rounds, but other than that is there anything else I should know.

I assume they will have to pay duty, but is it that hard to just keep your mouth shut about it and bring it back. What would happen if you didnt declare it and you got caught?
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I wonder if the customs officer will consider the firearm parts as "firearm". Then that means smuggling firearms into Canada, which is a severe crime to commit just for a stock and magazines...

In short, don't do it as it's not worth the trouble. I don't even try to bring anything over that is related to firearms as you never know how they will react when they hear the keywords "rifle", "pistol", "firearm", or "gun" in your declaration. I won't test out my luck :)
 
Sp0r3 said:
I wonder if the customs officer will consider the firearm parts as "firearm". Then that means smuggling firearms into Canada, which is a severe crime to commit just for a stock and magazines...

In short, don't do it as it's not worth the trouble. I don't even try to bring anything over that is related to firearms as you never know how they will react when they hear the keywords "rifle", "pistol", "firearm", or "gun" in your declaration. I won't test out my luck :)
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The problems have nothing to do with Canadian law. As long as you are not trying to import a prohibited device (see: Bullpup stock) there are no restrictions on what stocks you can bring in. The headaches come from legally exporting parts out of the USA.
 
If the US side catches you it is worse than you can imagine!!!!!!! Everyone thinks its real simple till they do something knowingly or not wrong and then its "OMG I never knew it could be so bad". Sorry but I will not give people tips or information because if something goes wrong it will come back on me I am sure. Paying an extra couple bucks for a mag or stock is worth not taking the risk of doing something illegal.
 
okay, so how do I file for a export document, and how long does it take to get one. Can I just do it at the border or is it something that has to been done in advance.

Also, what if a buddy bought it and had it mailed to me? Whats the odds of getting a Tapco stock and a couple of Magazines siezed through the mail?
 
Curious..

Garlond said:
The problems have nothing to do with Canadian law. As long as you are not trying to import a prohibited device (see: Bullpup stock) there are no restrictions on what stocks you can bring in. The headaches come from legally exporting parts out of the USA.
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..I don't want to hijack but, are bullpup's illegal in Canada? Bullpup Stocks? (there's a couple I've seen for SKS's...)

I'm sure I have an old (80's) Ruko catalouge that lists a "Steyr AUG-SA"...

Would those now be illegal ("prohib/restricted") here?

..nosey hijacker..

As far as main topic: Honesty at the border is the best policy, esp. if buddies really enjoy the cottage! It can mean not seeing it for a long while..What can be "shipped" can be "non res. stuff" and, less than 100$'s
 
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blueflash said:
Whats the odds of getting a Tapco stock and a couple of Magazines siezed through the mail?
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regardless of odds, you have to consider the consequences. by the sounds of it, your US friends would be risking a great deal on your behalf. Do you really want to chance it?

I don't wait at red lights late at night because I'm pretty sure I won't get caught. I used to speed excessively on the Alaska Highway because the odds of getting caught were next to nil. Most of us get complacent stretching insignificant laws because the penalties are not that severe. But we're talking firearms laws here - I wouldn't chance it.
 
camster said:
..I don't want to hijack but, are bullpup's illegal in Canada? Bullpup Stocks? (there's a couple I've seen for SKS's...)

I'm sure I have an old (80's) Ruko catalouge that lists a "Steyr AUG-SA"...

Would those now be illegal ("prohib/restricted") here?

..nosey hijacker..

As far as main topic: Honesty at the border is the best policy, esp. if buddies really enjoy the cottage! It can mean not seeing it for a long while..What can be "shipped" can be "non res. stuff" and, less than 100$'s
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There is lots of info on this site about it but in a nutshell...a bullpup STOCK is a prohibited device. If the firearm can be fired without the stock installed...then that stock is a no no but not the firearm i.e. putting a 10/22 into a bullpup stock does not make the 10/22 illegal but the stock is. There are many bullpups out there that are perfectly legal (and non-restricted to boot)
 
blueflash said:
okay, so how do I file for a export document, and how long does it take to get one. Can I just do it at the border or is it something that has to been done in advance.

Also, what if a buddy bought it and had it mailed to me? Whats the odds of getting a Tapco stock and a couple of Magazines siezed through the mail?
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You apply to DFAIT in Ottawa for a IIC. (International Import Certificate). Free. Then you send the IIC to your licenced US exporter. Your licenced US exporter will apply to the US DOS for the export permit. Once the export permit is received, the US exporter will ship your goods.
If your buddy bought the shzt and mailed it to you, your buddy would be violating US federal law. Would you ask your buddy to commit a criminal act on your behalf?
 
Garlond said:
The problems have nothing to do with Canadian law. As long as you are not trying to import a prohibited device (see: Bullpup stock) there are no restrictions on what stocks you can bring in. The headaches come from legally exporting parts out of the USA.
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The part about going through Canada border is regarding his idea of his non-declared goods. The rest is regarding his declaration of his visit when he crosses the US borders.
 
So, is there much to risk if my friend in the U.S. bought a Tapco stock and Magazine and shipped it to me. The way I figure it, other than running the risk of having your stuff confiscated and losing the $100 in merchandise, thats pretty much the only risk in that way of doing it. Am I right or am I wrong??? Sounds like the best way of doing it. I know a buddy that has sent a couple rifle scopes over by doing it like that with no problems.
 
It is a federal offence for him to do so and also using the mail may be a separate charge as well. It sounds like you have no concern that he is taking a tremendous risk and who cares if he gets in trouble. I would strongly suggest you drop the subject as you don't see how wrong this could go.
 
blueflash said:
So, is there much to risk if my friend in the U.S. bought a Tapco stock and Magazine and shipped it to me. The way I figure it, other than running the risk of having your stuff confiscated and losing the $100 in merchandise, thats pretty much the only risk in that way of doing it. Am I right or am I wrong??? Sounds like the best way of doing it. I know a buddy that has sent a couple rifle scopes over by doing it like that with no problems.
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just bcos you know a buddy that broke the law and got alway with it, doesnt mean another buddy will be that lucky, scopes are on the restricted list.

please read legalese section before you involve another person..... locked
 
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