Brinks
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Open carry as always. This keeps the honest people honest. Nothing regarding the firearm has ever been top secret. Methods, training and procedures are not openly discussed.
As for Ontario Law, the CFO sets the guidelines for the industry.
I have never seen a Provicial Act governing the type of firearm.
As for Ontario Law, the CFO sets the guidelines for the industry.
I have never seen a Provicial Act governing the type of firearm.
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I was shooting with a brinks guy the other day, he had mentioned that Ontario was the frist province to change over and that they were working there way across the country. He thought they were going with 9's in Alberta, but hey if you can 40's go for it.
TheGamerXxX
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- North of the 49, Manitoba
Just because it's not a big secret doesnt mean we should be discussing it... thing is... a lot of public is ignorant as to what we carry, and it makes it rather interesting when people come up to you and say...
"so yeah... you guys carry .45s?" (we always answer with a yes)... the less the public knows the better in my eyes.
And yes its not hard to see what we carry but you'd be surprised how many people aren't into 'revolers' or even semi-autos... and like I said... the less people know of what we carry the better.
Same goes for cops, etc.
Luke
"so yeah... you guys carry .45s?" (we always answer with a yes)... the less the public knows the better in my eyes.
And yes its not hard to see what we carry but you'd be surprised how many people aren't into 'revolers' or even semi-autos... and like I said... the less people know of what we carry the better.
Same goes for cops, etc.
Luke
- Location
- SW Ontario
This is all BS it's only a hand gun. No one is going to save the galaxy with a hand gun. Weather it's a .38 or .40 so be it >>> BG DEAL! Even a .22 short can put a person in the coffin.......
Damnit, really!!!
That cant be right, because on the brink's site they say you need restricted and non-restricted
. Anywho...I didnt mean to start a ####storm here. Just wanting to know what is out their for duty revolvers, as I already own a duty pistol.
Relax, if people want to know they will find out one way or another.
mebiuspower
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- Morontario
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- Victoria, BC
Shhhh! Don't tell them we have guns! 
I once had to argue with someone to convince him that we carry our guns loaded, and not with rubber bullets. We might be better off telling potentially dangerous people the truth, and persuading them that there is significant risk in actions they may be considering. Based on all the people staring at mine, that we carry guns is no secret.
Members of the public asking stupid questions do get stupid answers in return, though ... if any answer at all.
I once had to argue with someone to convince him that we carry our guns loaded, and not with rubber bullets. We might be better off telling potentially dangerous people the truth, and persuading them that there is significant risk in actions they may be considering. Based on all the people staring at mine, that we carry guns is no secret.
Members of the public asking stupid questions do get stupid answers in return, though ... if any answer at all.
Well I sure hope for the Brinks employees sake that they invest in some quality training to go along with their new pistols. Seeing has how a usable and new firearm has taken this long I am willing to venture a guess that they blew the next 10 years worth of budget on getting the new hardware.
The last training course I sat in on was quite the eye opener. The information passed was more of a "you need to know how to operate your revolver safely so we don't get sued" type of course. Rather than the "This is how you react to some f**ker who is trying to kill you for that little bag of money" course. I hate to say it but its only a matter of time before we start zipping up some fine citizens who work for an armoured car service because the company is too cheap to give a sh*t. Happened just last week state side. Don't think it can't happen here.
TheGamer###,
It makes no difference what is carried, its the operator that counts, or in most cases, doesn't count. A rifle or shotgun will always trump a handgun. The armoured car folks are already behind the power curve regardless of what sits on the hip. Complacency, boredome, and lack of training will get someone killed..
TDC
The last training course I sat in on was quite the eye opener. The information passed was more of a "you need to know how to operate your revolver safely so we don't get sued" type of course. Rather than the "This is how you react to some f**ker who is trying to kill you for that little bag of money" course. I hate to say it but its only a matter of time before we start zipping up some fine citizens who work for an armoured car service because the company is too cheap to give a sh*t. Happened just last week state side. Don't think it can't happen here.
TheGamer###,
It makes no difference what is carried, its the operator that counts, or in most cases, doesn't count. A rifle or shotgun will always trump a handgun. The armoured car folks are already behind the power curve regardless of what sits on the hip. Complacency, boredome, and lack of training will get someone killed..
TDC
- Location
- Brant County, Ontario
Its nice to see that Brinks is finally catching up with the times, now I want to see if G4S does the same. I also wonder if each Brinks guy or girl will get there own pistol or will they all be comunity pistols like things have been with the revolvers? Revolvers are one thing but I wouldn't want every tom #### and harry using the same pistol that I where them?
TheGamerXxX
CGN frequent flyer
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- North of the 49, Manitoba
All I can say is that some places have already changed over to Semi-autos, and we dont like sharing as than nobody wants to take care of it. Unless your shop has a gunsmith at the facility than the things get dusted over because "the other guy should clean it"...
And personally it'd come down to, for safety reasons, me not wanting to share a pistol with some slob who doesnt want to take care of it.
quote]It makes no difference what is carried, its the operator that counts, or in most cases, doesn't count. A rifle or shotgun will always trump a handgun. The armoured car folks are already behind the power curve regardless of what sits on the hip. Complacency, boredome, and lack of training will get someone killed[/quote]
I must point out sernick.. (or however you spell his name)... he seemed to hit nothing with his shotgun meanwhile he himself was hit several times, so I beg to argue that a shotgun/rifle will trump a handgun... you said it yourself, its the operator not the weapon.
And yeah I totally agree... a LOT of people know what we carry what caliber, how many rounds we got on us, etc etc. I just don't believe in educating the public as to what it is we carry... if they don't know, than it's not their place to know. Simple as that.
Like I said, I've either confirmed whatever they 'believe' that we carry, or I just neither confirm nor deny whatever they believe. I just believe (as my partner put it) for the 'sake of self preservation' there is no need to say what we carry.
Paranoid? yes. it's what keeps me alert and not complacent like a lot of the 'old timers' seem to be.
if I carried a .45 on me... I wouldnt be advertising I carried a .45... why? it gives that much more info to the guy wanting to hit us. Why give out the info on a life saving piece of equipment? It's your (or mine) a$$ in the end.
*edit* ohh yeah... there's a reason that its company policy not to discuss such things... well they have their own reasons as well Im sure, but one of them is so that IF anything happens ignorance (for the robber) is bliss so to speak
Luke
And personally it'd come down to, for safety reasons, me not wanting to share a pistol with some slob who doesnt want to take care of it.
quote]It makes no difference what is carried, its the operator that counts, or in most cases, doesn't count. A rifle or shotgun will always trump a handgun. The armoured car folks are already behind the power curve regardless of what sits on the hip. Complacency, boredome, and lack of training will get someone killed[/quote]
I must point out sernick.. (or however you spell his name)... he seemed to hit nothing with his shotgun meanwhile he himself was hit several times, so I beg to argue that a shotgun/rifle will trump a handgun... you said it yourself, its the operator not the weapon.
And yeah I totally agree... a LOT of people know what we carry what caliber, how many rounds we got on us, etc etc. I just don't believe in educating the public as to what it is we carry... if they don't know, than it's not their place to know. Simple as that.
Like I said, I've either confirmed whatever they 'believe' that we carry, or I just neither confirm nor deny whatever they believe. I just believe (as my partner put it) for the 'sake of self preservation' there is no need to say what we carry.
Paranoid? yes. it's what keeps me alert and not complacent like a lot of the 'old timers' seem to be.
if I carried a .45 on me... I wouldnt be advertising I carried a .45... why? it gives that much more info to the guy wanting to hit us. Why give out the info on a life saving piece of equipment? It's your (or mine) a$$ in the end.
*edit* ohh yeah... there's a reason that its company policy not to discuss such things... well they have their own reasons as well Im sure, but one of them is so that IF anything happens ignorance (for the robber) is bliss so to speak
Luke
Brink's use to carry 4046 S&W in Quebec for a while, and they have now completed there transition to the M&P .40. My friend even bought one for IPSC, and competed in prod division with it. As for G4S, part of the staff carry Glock 22, .40S&W , I dont remind when they made the switch, but saw them carried since the last couple of years. As for you I work with, they switched to an HK P2000 in....9MM, the one who make the decision here are ex mtl cops, and as such are pretty anti-american, and don't believe in the merits of the .40 or the .45. But the worst problem we encounters around here is with OC spray, and no one want to say if we can defend ourselves again such an attack or not. but that's another point for a discussion.
This is also taken into consideration. Each employee was assigned a pistol. No one else will ever touch it. They trasitioned with, and will always train with, the assigned pistol. It was made very clear that there will be no "community pistols".
Guns that are "spares" and not assigned had more than 500 rounds put through them to ensure function.
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Thegamer###,
Anyone can win or lose a fight with whatever is at hand. Comparing tool to tool, a long arm always trumps a handgun. I agree with your stance on not discussing equipment with the public. I for one don't understand why anyone in the armed guard business would permit the public to approach them at a social distance. I guess being a mean SOB or just plain giving off hostile vibes might "upset" the public and is thus frowned upon. Regardless, it makes no difference whether or not the criminal element has solid intel on what you carry. The average joe knows you carry a pistol and that is all the valuable information that is needed to mount an offensive. Some on the wrong side of the law wouldn't care if you were sporting AR-15's and hard armour, they're just that stupid or confident.
As for security, I once was called to G4S(securicor) for an interview. I approached two on duty guards outside their HQ/yard. Neither noticed my presence until I was well within reach of their pistols. The coat I was wearing could have easily concealed any number of sub-guns or a short shotgun. After entering their facility I was neither patted down nor were any of the office staff(some being guards) armed. Not exactly secure...
On a different note, I hope with the transition to autos they start to change a lot of policy and practice.
TDC
Anyone can win or lose a fight with whatever is at hand. Comparing tool to tool, a long arm always trumps a handgun. I agree with your stance on not discussing equipment with the public. I for one don't understand why anyone in the armed guard business would permit the public to approach them at a social distance. I guess being a mean SOB or just plain giving off hostile vibes might "upset" the public and is thus frowned upon. Regardless, it makes no difference whether or not the criminal element has solid intel on what you carry. The average joe knows you carry a pistol and that is all the valuable information that is needed to mount an offensive. Some on the wrong side of the law wouldn't care if you were sporting AR-15's and hard armour, they're just that stupid or confident.
As for security, I once was called to G4S(securicor) for an interview. I approached two on duty guards outside their HQ/yard. Neither noticed my presence until I was well within reach of their pistols. The coat I was wearing could have easily concealed any number of sub-guns or a short shotgun. After entering their facility I was neither patted down nor were any of the office staff(some being guards) armed. Not exactly secure...
On a different note, I hope with the transition to autos they start to change a lot of policy and practice.
TDC
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