British Pistols Dying Of Old Age

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British Pistols Dying Of Old Age

May 28, 2010: The British Army, underfunded and lacking massive injections of new equipment for several years now, has managed to forge ahead in both Iraq and Afghanistan on its well-deserved reputation for professionalism and discipline. But the equipment and money crisis has affected weapons systems and equipment from aircraft, and now, all the way down to small arms. The 9mm Browning Hi-Power automatic, designated the L9A1 in the British military, has been the Brits' standard issue sidearm since 1954, when it replaced the .38 Enfield revolver. Even this elderly pistol can still be found in service. Prince Harry famously sported one tucked into his body armor in a photo shot while he was serving in Afghanistan. But it was the British LRDG (Long Range Desert Groups) in World War II that had started the trend of using the 9mm Hi-Power, a decade before that pistol was adopted by the entire British Army.

The Hi-Power has long been considered a durable, accurate, reliable pistol that packs a lot of man-stopping power, making it perfect for urban or anti-terrorism warfighting. The SAS CRW (Special Air Service Counter Revolutionary Wing), who executed the famous 1980 hostage rescue at the Iranian Embassy. made the Browning Hi-Power famous due to their groundbreaking development of close-quarter battle techniques using the pistol. The British have carried the Browning in conflicts ranging from the Falkland Islands mountains to the streets of Northern Ireland.

The Hi-Power is still produced, by Browning in the U.S. and Fabrique Nationale in Europe. Despite being over 50 years old, the handgun, like the 1911A1 .45, is far from being considered obsolete. The problem, for the British Army, however, is that the Brownings in circulation within the British Army are often older than the men who use them. Pistols are sometimes 20 or 30 years old. While the British have upgraded their standard issue assault rifle, the SA80, and their squad automatic weapon, the L86A2, and other infantry weapons over the course of the last 50 years, little to no attention has been paid to either finding a new sidearm or purchasing newer versions of the L9A1. Meanwhile, the companies that produce the L9A1 offer upgraded, more modern Hi-Power models. Thus, aside from a few special ops units, the majority of British officers are stuck using well-worn, beat-up 9mms that are not aging well. Reliable weapon though it may be, a 30 year-old pistol that has been issued to, and used by, dozens of officers, and spent a lot of time outdoors, is not going to be as reliable as a newer sidearm. Troops are often wary of using such equipment, knowing that a malfunction or a jam in an old handgun could very well cost them their lives in combat.

Serious attention to the handgun problem is only recently creeping into the British military. The Special Air Service recently transitioned away from the Hi-Power and adopted the Sig-Sauer P226 9mm as their standard sidearm, and a smaller compact pistol for undercover operations. Other units like the Special Reconnaissance Regiment likely have more latitude in their choice of, and access to, newer sidearms in better working condition.

Instead of gradually phasing out the Hi-Power or purchasing a newer model of the weapon, the British government, unsurprisingly, seems content to ignore the problem until it can no longer be ignored.



http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20100528.aspx
 
"...ignore the problem until it can no longer be ignored..." Socialist governments tend to do that. Ours has been doing it since W.W. II.
"...man-stopping power..." No such thing.
 
Nothing wrong with the Browning HP. Replace the mags with new ones and they jamming problem should go away for 99% of the pistols. The ones that still jam can be addressed by a gun plumber. But let the 9mm vs. larger calibre debate begin.
 
Nothing wrong with the Browning HP. Replace the mags with new ones and they jamming problem should go away for 99% of the pistols. The ones that still jam can be addressed by a gun plumber. But let the 9mm vs. larger calibre debate begin.

Agree 100%.

Maybe add the Safety Fast System for those that don't like "cocked and locked" carry - but it isn't a critical improvement http://www.cylinder-slide.com/sfssystem.shtml. I have it on my FN HP as a factory installed option and it works perfectly.
 
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Prince Harry famously sported one tucked into his body armor in a photo shot while he was serving in Afghanistan.

Every picture I seen was Harry with one of these:
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Current issue are not entirely 50 years old, despite the ignorance of the original article. New mags and springs, you are good to go. You would have an empty chamber with the muzzle looking at the royal family jewels. The BHPs issued aren't 100% drop safe, that is a genuine criticism.
 
I would be inclined to adopt the CZ-75B, as a 'modern' substitute for the Hi-Power. Of course, the best/safest 9 ever is the P7M13, used by Greek paratroopers, I think. I sure wish I could afford one (even the old German police refurb P7s are really costly). No worries about an AD from tossing one in a bag, or dangling on a lanyard.

Harry even looks good scrungy... (Best-looking 'royal', along with Charlotte Casiraghi.)

Oh, wait a second--don't the U.S. marines use 60+ year old 1911s? I read somewhere that they even have to x-ray the frames for cracks.
 
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You would have an empty chamber with the muzzle looking at the royal family jewels.

hahaha I was thinking to myself he must have bigger :adult: then me to have a chambered pistol pointed at his member. All the safeties in the world wouldnt convince me to do that :D
 
That is a newer hi-power for sure, hammer, safety, grips...all post 1970 at least....

It looks like a Mk II, which was made from the early to mid-'80s. The current production Mk IIIs have the same grips and ambi safety, but the sights are higher profile.
 
Is it just me or whomever the Prince's "aide de camp" assigned with cleaning his weapons for him should be fired ?

Harry was posted to the ar$e-end of the British sector in Helmand province as a Forward Air Controller. That particular forward operating base is at a river crossing, with two large hills dominating the flat-ish terrain. It sits at a natural smugglers' resting spot on the routes south into the Reg Desert. The next 'civilization' is Pakistan. A Brit NCO who followed the war described that the FOB served both sides equally. The defenders were a stopper against more intensive incursions and the Taliban used it for a sort of basic training validation exercise. Every night the defenders were on the machine guns, emptying container loads of ammo at waves of attackers. There were few Coalition casualties, but whichever Talibans survived the battle got to go further north into the more intensive battlegrounds.
 
"20-30 years old" - what the heck, these are solid built firearms that will likely keep firing for many more decades with very little maintenence. Generally small arms are considered secondary weapons and despite their often rough carry cosmetic appearances they generally get very little actual fire use. The average age of my British Navy Webley revolvers is 114 years , they oddly enough remain combat ready.
 
Nothing wrong with the Browning HP. Replace the mags with new ones and they jamming problem should go away for 99% of the pistols. The ones that still jam can be addressed by a gun plumber. But let the 9mm vs. larger calibre debate begin.

Be nice if they disabled that stupid magazine safety though. Most useless feature in a fighting pistol ever.
 
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