British troops take casualties protecting refugees - Yugoslavian Wars - BBC archives

Not that long ago.. I think some of CGN members were deployed there..
With the Brits putting all their eggs into the F-35 platform
Nothing for ground attack..Oh. Well the Americans will take care of it..
Brits won't deploy to any ground wars in Europe..They've lost their nerve
my .02
 
Those Cheshires are using the first MICV80 Warrior fighting vehicles issued, which are only a few years old when they are using them in that clip. They replaced my battalion in 7 Armd Bde in Germany at the beginning of 1986 and immediately got Warriors to replace the 1950s vintage FV432 APCs we left behind. None of us imagined Yugoslavia falling apart into that Balkan mess a few years later, nor the Gulf War.

The Army had over fifty regular infantry battalions back then.

I don't think they'll have to deploy to the next ground war in Europe. I think they will have their part at home at the same time as it erupts on the continent.
 
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GUB said:
Not that long ago.. I think some of CGN members were deployed there..
With the Brits putting all their eggs into the F-35 platform
Nothing for ground attack..Oh. Well the Americans will take care of it..
Brits won't deploy to any ground wars in Europe..They've lost their nerve
my .02
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What? F35 does have ground attack??
 
Claven2 said:
What? F35 does have ground attack??
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On paper yes.. But a $80 million ++ plane doing stand off missle and smart munitions attacks
Is not close support for the troops on the ground
We are only talking about the Brits now.. Desert warfare where there is no place to hide and little air defence capacity..Yes
But a sustained conflict in the Balkans, North Korea or Africa with some ground threats..
The Brits have nothing.. But the U.S. to save their ass again
 
GUB said:
On paper yes.. But a $80 million ++ plane doing stand off missle and smart munitions attacks
Is not close support for the troops on the ground
We are only talking about the Brits now.. Desert warfare where there is no place to hide and little air defence capacity..Yes
But a sustained conflict in the Balkans, North Korea or Africa with some ground threats..
The Brits have nothing.. But the U.S. to save their ass again
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We can’t really talk either
 
The Brits, French And Canadians regularly got into fire fights with the opposing forces. It just wasn’t published at one in Canada as the govt saw this mission as Peacekeeping vs peacemaking. All but in name it was a war.
 
Many people prefer to believe that our participation in the Afghanistan war was peacekeeping. At best peacekeeping only buys time for diplomacy to work, but that seldom happens. The only recent example of this that comes to mind is UNEF2 between Egypt and Israel, and that is a cold peace.
 
R711 said:
The Brits, French And Canadians regularly got into fire fights with the opposing forces. It just wasn’t published at one in Canada as the govt saw this mission as Peacekeeping vs peacemaking. All but in name it was a war.
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Firefights did not happen regularly there. they would take pot shots or lob a couple of mortar rounds in the general direction of your camp but never enough to pinpoint who was doing it or long enough to read the fourteen page orders for opening fire. On the few occasions that they were stupid enough to stay in one place for too long and we could return fire it was more out off revealing frustration. I remember one story where a warrior crew were shot at by a sniper a couple of weeks after a driver was killed by one. They expended their entire chain gun ammo load several thousand rounds playing with him for 15 mins before finishing him off. The most you were doing there was escorting convoys of food and supplies you were certain were only going to civilians and not supplying any of the militant groups (sarcasm if you didn't guess) along mountain roads that were an ambusher's wet dream and watching them kill each other.
I did not enjoy the six months I spent there and it gave me a severe dislike of politicians and faith that the UN couldn't run a piss up in a brewery without screwing it up let alone run some world wide conspiracy.
 
GUB said:
Not that long ago.. I think some of CGN members were deployed there..
With the Brits putting all their eggs into the F-35 platform
Nothing for ground attack..Oh. Well the Americans will take care of it..
Brits won't deploy to any ground wars in Europe..They've lost their nerve
my .02
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Will not commit to ground wars in Europe........lost their nerve?

So Falklands / Iraqi and Afganistan were all air battles that confirmed your 2 cents worth?

You should repeat your well-considered thoughts in a garrison town in the UK rather than from a keyboard and see how it holds up.

Candocad.
 
I can never for the life of me figure out why the Libtard/socialist/lefties get so excited about what has to be one of the most useless organizations ever dreamed up, the United Nations and clamour mindlessly on about "peacekeeping". They must be caught in same time rift from the 1960s and think a guy rolling into a war zone in a jeep, wearing a beret and a empty pistol strapped to the belt is all one needs to bring a end to fighting, maybe they need to check the calendar and stop living in the distant past. Another thing that really grinds my gears is the idiot left endlessly calling Canadian Forces members "peacekeepers" instead of their proper title of Warfighters. They (the loony left and Liberals) honestly think that Canadians and Canada have some weird lock on being the global boy scouts for the UN.
 
R711 said:
Ok Wobble head what ROTO, it was a weekly event on mine.
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I was only a lowely REME L/CPL on OP Grapple 3 so they had pretty much given up trying to keep us current and the brief was the orders are fourteen pages long and you will never understand them.
To show how retarded it was our company's main base was half of a electrical switchgear factory in Split and we had a armed guard patrolling at night. If we ever caught anybody on site because it was a civilian factory we were to hand him over to the factory security who happened to be a sixty year old guy who lived in a shed on site.
 
WobblyHead said:
Firefights did not happen regularly there. they would take pot shots or lob a couple of mortar rounds in the general direction of your camp but never enough to pinpoint who was doing it or long enough to read the fourteen page orders for opening fire. On the few occasions that they were stupid enough to stay in one place for too long and we could return fire it was more out off revealing frustration. I remember one story where a warrior crew were shot at by a sniper a couple of weeks after a driver was killed by one. They expended their entire chain gun ammo load several thousand rounds playing with him for 15 mins before finishing him off. The most you were doing there was escorting convoys of food and supplies you were certain were only going to civilians and not supplying any of the militant groups (sarcasm if you didn't guess) along mountain roads that were an ambusher's wet dream and watching them kill each other.
I did not enjoy the six months I spent there and it gave me a severe dislike of politicians and faith that the UN couldn't run a piss up in a brewery without screwing it up let alone run some world wide conspiracy.
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Thank you for your service.

Around that time there was a public vote about whether or not Switzerland should send soldiers on UN missions or not. Back then I was disappointed that the vote was not favored, since it meant that I would get the chance to do a "life mission", but in hindsight I'm glad no swiss soldiers had to die for nothing.

Anyway, thank you for serving.

A coworker of mine served with the bosniaks during his teens. Fled to Switzerland at age 18 or so. He doesn't talk much about his time in Bosnia.
 
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