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No 1 Mk III, 1914- 1918 British made, what was the typical wood used for the furniture of that time period? i know its not the walnut we typically see in reproduction stuff, none of my No 1`s have that.
i`m scraping some finish off a couple of old sporter fore ends, and one looks like maple but not really, and the other i have no idea. both much lighter coloured than walnut.
anyone know?
 
No 1 Mk III, 1914- 1918 British made, what was the typical wood used for the furniture of that time period? i know its not the walnut we typically see in reproduction stuff, none of my No 1`s have that.
i`m scraping some finish off a couple of old sporter fore ends, and one looks like maple but not really, and the other i have no idea. both much lighter coloured than walnut.
anyone know?
I know that Italian Walnut was used a lot & i believe Lithgow sent some wood to Britain but many forends were replaced so yours could be anything, a photo might help.
 
No 1 Mk III, 1914- 1918 British made, what was the typical wood used for the furniture of that time period? i know its not the walnut we typically see in reproduction stuff, none of my No 1`s have that.
i`m scraping some finish off a couple of old sporter fore ends, and one looks like maple but not really, and the other i have no idea. both much lighter coloured than walnut.
anyone know?

European walnut would have been the predominant stock wood for UK SMLEs in the WW1 period, which a lighter tight-grained walnut. While I've never had any of it tested to confirm, you also see darker walnut that COULD be black walnut from North America - which is plausible as the UK would have gotten shipments of materials from Canada, and later from the USA as war aid.

In Canada, SMLEs were held in inventory and refurbished from the WW1 era (post-Ross rifle) up to the start of LB No.4 production in 1941. During that time, Canada DEFINITELY produced local black walnut replacement SMLE stocks and you often see WW1 era C-Arrow marked SMLEs with stocks that are definitely black walnut of Canadian manufacture. You also see canadian-made replacement barrels.

After the war you see beech wood being periodically used, which carried through to WW2 era dispersal rifles and became the de-facto standard FTR stock wood during 1950's refurbs done as war stocks during the Korean War.

Indian Ishapore SMLEs, up to 1918, used imported walnut, but most of those guns were later refurbished and got luan mahogany wood.

The Austrian SMLEs were originally all walnut, but during WW1 there were wood shortages and queensland maple started to be used as a stop-gap, along with a tie plate that included pins that touched the draws to prevent hte soft wood form being battered at the draws by recoil. After WW1, both walnut and Queensland Maple was no longer used and the australians started using coachwood with re-inforced draws using copper recoil plates.
 
European walnut would have been the predominant stock wood for UK SMLEs in the WW1 period, which a lighter tight-grained walnut. While I've never had any of it tested to confirm, you also see darker walnut that COULD be black walnut from North America - which is plausible as the UK would have gotten shipments of materials from Canada, and later from the USA as war aid.

In Canada, SMLEs were held in inventory and refurbished from the WW1 era (post-Ross rifle) up to the start of LB No.4 production in 1941. During that time, Canada DEFINITELY produced local black walnut replacement SMLE stocks and you often see WW1 era C-Arrow marked SMLEs with stocks that are definitely black walnut of Canadian manufacture. You also see canadian-made replacement barrels.

After the war you see beech wood being periodically used, which carried through to WW2 era dispersal rifles and became the de-facto standard FTR stock wood during 1950's refurbs done as war stocks during the Korean War.

Indian Ishapore SMLEs, up to 1918, used imported walnut, but most of those guns were later refurbished and got luan mahogany wood.

The Austrian SMLEs were originally all walnut, but during WW1 there were wood shortages and queensland maple started to be used as a stop-gap, along with a tie plate that included pins that touched the draws to prevent hte soft wood form being battered at the draws by recoil. After WW1, both walnut and Queensland Maple was no longer used and the australians started using coachwood with re-inforced draws using copper recoil plates.
Australia or Australians (not Austrians) used Walnut up till 1915/16 then went to Queensland maple which was the main wood used till 1941 when they switched to Coachwood, both QM & CW needed reinforcing at the draws, firstly they fitted walnut inserts at the draws & then in the 1930s they tried a stockbolt keeper plate with rods that protruded though to the draws, circa 34 35 & 36 were the years these were fitted, finally they went with the copper recoil blocks.
 
So, basically I'm looking at any suitable hardwood that they could get their hands on.
My No 1s are all British, the wood matches the butt stock in condition, colour and grain. one is stained and varnish/shellac, this one could be beech. it has the ikea light coloured wood look to it, beech type grain, the colour you see of anything beech wood from ikea. i think i can match this one with an old wooden plane body i have.
the other is a maple of one kind or another.

i just need to kind of match the wood for an idea i have.
 
After the war you see beech wood being periodically used, which carried through to WW2 era dispersal rifles and became the de-facto standard FTR stock wood during 1950's refurbs done as war stocks during the Korean War.

Like this?

I just got this last night. My first complete smle. I'm trying to learn what I can about it. I always wanted one with a nice dark stock but this could grow on me.

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Others will know more than me, but I believe "SMLE" usually refers to a Lee Enfield No.1. What is in the picture is clearly a Lee Enfield No. 4, as per the side wall, FTR'd in 1951 and has the MK1/2 conversion (trigger on a block on the wrist, not on the trigger guard), but appears to be wearing a MK1 fore stock, not the MK2 type. I would have to read some more to find out if that sort of fore stock was ever done as part of the FTR / conversion to MK1/2 or not...
 
Others will know more than me, but I believe "SMLE" usually refers to a Lee Enfield No.1. What is in the picture is clearly a Lee Enfield No. 4, as per the side wall, FTR'd in 1951 and has the MK1/2 conversion (trigger on a block on the wrist, not on the trigger guard), but appears to be wearing a MK1 fore stock, not the MK2 type. I would have to read some more to find out if that sort of fore stock was ever done as part of the FTR / conversion to MK1/2 or not...

I'm brand new to Enfields and I'm still learning all the ins and outs including terminology. I thought they were all SMLE. My mistake.

As for the parts, all I was after was one in decent shape with a full stock. I wasn't concerned with getting an all matching original. I thought the wood looked like beech and the FTR marked on the side seemed to match what claven2 was talking about. When I said complete, I meant as in all of the parts seem to be there, not necessarily all original.

Either way I'm extremely happy with my newest addition (along with a Garand I got at the same time. Yesterday was like frikken Christmas x100 for me!!)
 
In the late 1800's the vast black walnut forests on the Niagara peninsula succumbed to disease. A lot of the wood was used in construction but millions of board feet were shipped to Europe to be used as gun stocks.
 
Others will know more than me, but I believe "SMLE" usually refers to a Lee Enfield No.1. What is in the picture is clearly a Lee Enfield No. 4, as per the side wall, FTR'd in 1951 and has the MK1/2 conversion (trigger on a block on the wrist, not on the trigger guard), but appears to be wearing a MK1 fore stock, not the MK2 type. I would have to read some more to find out if that sort of fore stock was ever done as part of the FTR / conversion to MK1/2 or not...

Yes the No1 is a SMLE but a No4 is not, looks like someone modified a Mk1 stock & yes they did use Mk1 stocks during the conversion to the hung trigger but they patched the wood where the tie-strap was & drilled a new hole for the cross bolt
 
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