BRNO Model 21H?

First let me say that material as in models etc. is hard to find and most info. is mostly hearsay including mine.
Should anyone have a catalogue I would appreciate info. on where to get one. Any way this is my take, 21 & 22
have nothing to do with barrel length, stock length, triggers etc. 21 has a round receiver made up to about 1950 and came with claw mounts
if wanted, 22 has the intergral mounts (bridges) and made up to the mid fifties. H is for half stock and F for full as is Mannlicher stock
the Hs could be had as a rifle and as a carbine. I would say 8x57s are most common then 7x57 all the rest are rather scarce. Round bolts, single
triggers, factory scopes are also scarce in varying degrees. Never heard of transitional models (as in safety styles) but all is possible.
Great guns - I like mine factory scope and all. All feel free to change my mind, proof would be nice. JMHO --- John *Just to add the fore-ends
tips between the 21s & 22s are also different, most run around $1000.00 +/- 250.00 in decent shape*.
 
Value wise, that rifle is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it; one doesn't drop down to his local gun emporium and simply pick H 21/22 off the rack. Maybe there's an individual out there who puts a premium on the old Brno rifles with single triggers chambered in 7X57, and holds Unertal glass a notch above the rest. For him this rifle is worth far more than $1200, and he would probably have difficulty sleeping at night if he managed to acquire the rifle, scope, and mounts for that price.

However, if you intend to buy the rifle from a family member as an heirloom, I don't think you should be expected to pay on the basis of "whatever the market will bear". Rather terms should be negotiated, so the seller shows a small profit, or at the very least isn't cheated, and the buyer knows that the rifle he's bought is a cut above what he'd find in today's market place, and is happy to pay accordingly. In your situation I think $1K represents a fair price for all concerned, and needn't lead to hard feelings or accusations of taking unfair advantage.
 
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My Brno 21F:

Caliber is 8x57S. It is completely unaltered 100% original, in mint "near new" condition, maybe fired once or twice, with a perfect bore, made in 1945. To me it feels much lighter and handier than the later Brno ZG47 type.

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According to the "Baribal" text (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1067622-BRNO-Model-21H/page2) partly reproduced below , I guess my fullstock BRNO may be actually a 21F. The length of the rifle is 41.5 in. , the barrel (to front of receiver ring) is 19 3/4 in (approx. 50.5 cm.) and the barrel is 20.5 in. to front of bolt. So that makes it the shorter carbine version.

However since the rifle is marked with a date stamp of "45" I think it also proves that Brno sporting rifle production restarted before 1946.

"There were a couple of models actually; 21H/21F, 22H/22F as per said before the 21 and 22 refer to barrel lenghts 600mm or 520mm and the "H" refers to half stock while the "F" refers to full stock.

The production of the 21 series, at least, started about '37 ended up in '40 and resumed mid to late '46 to 1950. About 46 000 rifles were made.
There was variations before they set on the integral scope mount, very late '46 or early '47... some of the early are found with round bolt handles but most are found with the spoon handle.

Calibers included;

6.5X57
7X57
7X64
8X57
8X60S
9X57 and there are some in 9.3X62 in Europe, but seems to be rebarreld or rebored...

About '48-'49 the Galas design (Otakar Galas, the designer of the ZG47) was put into production, and was available somewhere in '49

but according to John303 (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1067622-BRNO-Model-21H/page3) "21" and "22" have nothing to do with barrel length:

"Any way this is my take, 21 & 22 have nothing to do with barrel length, stock length, triggers etc. 21 has a round receiver made up to about 1950 and came with claw mounts if wanted, 22 has the intergral mounts (bridges) and made up to the mid fifties. H is for half stock and F for full as is Mannlicher stock. The Hs could be had as a rifle and as a carbine. "

Who is right?
 
Well. that's one take. I don't take the round receiver thing, as there are documents showing the "721 and 722" (the American names of the 21 and 22) both with round receivers, which shows the designation existed before the appearance of the integral scope mount.

I contacted a good source in Czech Republic to clarify the facts.
 
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Baribal said:
Well. that's one take. I don't take the round receiver thing, as there are documents showing the "721 and 722" (the American names of the 21 and 22) both with round receivers, which shows the designation existed before the appearance of the integral scope mount.
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Thats it then, "Baribal". Its a 21F. I'm going with you on this. You seem to have the knowledge. But it was made in '45 (must be one of the earliest made) and "Kamlooky", I am perfectly willing "to wear the new off her"...I shoot and usually try to hunt with all my rifles, no matter how minty they are.
 
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I'll try to fix the confusion once and for all. BTW, I am by any means an "expert" on commercial Mauser things, as there is so much to understand and know it's just crazy. The day I won't learn something new, I guess I'll be dead.
 
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I picked up this Brno 22F at the 2014 Calgary Easter Gun Show. I bought it Thursday before the show opened to the public on Friday. So if you went to the show without a table, you never saw it.

Caliber is 8x57S. It is completely unaltered 100% original, in mint "near new" condition, maybe fired once or twice, with a perfect bore, made in 1945. To me it feels much lighter and handier than the later Brno ZG47 type.

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So much want!!!
 
BigUglyMan said:
So much want!!!
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I should have a couple of tables at the Pictou/New Glasgow gun show at the end of May and may bring the Brno 21F along as part of a small display of fullstock rifles. So if you are going to that show I can show it to you. Definitely not for sale though.
 
Rob said:
I should have a couple of tables at the Pictou/New Glasgow gun show at the end of May and may bring the Brno 21F along as part of a small display of fullstock rifles. So if you are going to that show I can show it to you. Definitely not for sale though.
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What are the dates for that show? That neck of the woods isn't that far from here.
 
The gun show in New Glasgow is next weekend. May 31- June 1st. I believe they still have tables available.
Contacts are Bert Macdonald (902-396-4542) and Don Mac Aulay(902-485-8107). "The show is at 266 Park St. Take exit 25 then turn left. Go to 2nd set of lights and turn right. Bluenose curling club is on the left about 1/2K for lights. There will be signs".
 
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