Brocock Atomic - Non R/Pal?

what is the advertised velocity and is it .177 or .22? has to be under 5.7 joules

Edit: it is restricted at 6.8 Joules of energy.

Length: 308mm/12.1"
Weight: 1.25/ 2lbs 12oz
Fill Pres: 200 Bar
Power: 5/lbs/ 6.8 Joule

ht tp://www.solware.co.uk/air-pistol-air-rifle/BROCOCK-ATOMIC-SUPER-SIX-PCP-PISTOL.shtml
 
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If you could get a velocity rating on the .22 it may be under 500fps, so won't meet the velocity AND energy limitations. The .177 is definitely restricted.
 
gwilder said:
If you could get a velocity rating on the .22 it may be under 500fps, so won't meet the velocity AND energy limitations. The .177 is definitely restricted.
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No.

The velocity and energy both must be exceeded in order to be a "firearm".

The root of it lays in the very light weight pellets that were/are being sold that, because they offered "up to xx percent higher velocities", which would have put the big retailers all on the hook for selling unlicensed firearms for all the sub-500fps air guns they sold that were legal when tested with regular pellets.

You can exceed 500 fps, as long as you do NOT exceed the energy limit.

Shoot bowling balls at 495fps, and it is not a firearm. Styrofoam beads at 1000 fps, not a firearm either. Both examples are extremes, but illustrative. If you do the energy calcs, the energy limit does not buy you much of an advantage.

Note that if the law were either/or, ie: 500fps or over the energy limit, then all the .22 cal air pistols would be over that energy limit.


Wording counts. You must exceed both the velocity AND energy to be a firearm.


Cheers
Trev
 
Canadian_Zuk said:
FPS is no longer the end all, energy is what matters in Canadian law these days...the regs were revamped a few years ago. It's now over 500 fps AND grater than 5.7 joules of energy.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/air_gun-arme_air-eng.htm
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These are air guns with both a high muzzle velocity (greater than 152.4 metres or 500 feet per second) and a high muzzle energy (greater than 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds). The "muzzle velocity" is the speed of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, normally expressed in metres per second or feet per second. The "muzzle energy" is the energy of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, expressed in joules or foot-pounds. Air guns need to meet both standards to be classified as firearms for purposes of the Firearms Act.
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Thanks for the legal information. :)

My question should have been: "Where can I get a Brocock Atomic in Canada?" ;) Cheers.
 
trevj said:
No.

The velocity and energy both must be exceeded in order to be a "firearm".

The root of it lays in the very light weight pellets that were/are being sold that, because they offered "up to xx percent higher velocities", which would have put the big retailers all on the hook for selling unlicensed firearms for all the sub-500fps air guns they sold that were legal when tested with regular pellets.

You can exceed 500 fps, as long as you do NOT exceed the energy limit.

Shoot bowling balls at 495fps, and it is not a firearm. Styrofoam beads at 1000 fps, not a firearm either. Both examples are extremes, but illustrative. If you do the energy calcs, the energy limit does not buy you much of an advantage.

Note that if the law were either/or, ie: 500fps or over the energy limit, then all the .22 cal air pistols would be over that energy limit.


Wording counts. You must exceed both the velocity AND energy to be a firearm.


Cheers
Trev
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eye r confused

Why did you say no, then go on to explain the same point I was making, just in more detail?

Without a fps rating, the advertised energy level of that .22 caliber pistol may not result in a restricted designation. It's quite possible that it doesn't exceed 500fps, so may be non-PAL.
At that energy level, it's almost certain the .177 is faster than 500fps, though.

After a (very) quick search, the .22 has been chronoed over 600fps. However, you can still get one in Canada: http://www.specialtyshootingsportso...ocock-atomic-super-six-pcp-air-pistol-22.html
 
gwilder said:
eye r confused

Why did you say no, then go on to explain the same point I was making, just in more detail?

Without a fps rating, the advertised energy level of that .22 caliber pistol may not result in a restricted designation. It's quite possible that it doesn't exceed 500fps, so may be non-PAL.
At that energy level, it's almost certain the .177 is faster than 500fps, though.

After a (very) quick search, the .22 has been chronoed over 600fps. However, you can still get one in Canada: http://www.specialtyshootingsportso...ocock-atomic-super-six-pcp-air-pistol-22.html
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Uhhh...Because I were confused with your statement.

Sorry. No harm meant. What you said was not altogether clear to me.

Thats why.

:)

Cheers
Trev
 
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