brown bess
- Thread starter Beater
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Dog lock musket lock? It has a ring throated ####, which appeared later than the swan necked ####. The flat sidepalte and abbreviated finial on the trigger guard an lack of a nosecap are characteristic of a sea Service musket. What is the buttplate like? How long is the barrel? The sea service muskets were shorter and a bit simpler than land service muskets.
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- pallisers triangle
37" bbl, and from what i have read, it has the flat buttplate, typical of the sea service.it has 2 brass captures for the ram rod, of which the front one has been refitted with the spring to hold the upgraded steel ramrod. i allways thought this was a bess, but it apears not. i also have the original bayo for it aswell.
hear is a couple pics of the butt plate.
hear is a couple pics of the butt plate.
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- West coast of Vancouver Island
The ring neck cocks on the 1738 and 1757 Sea Service Muskets were flat. I think this is a 1778 Sea Service Musket. The one difference is on the 1778 SSM the #### is a swan or goose neck. But it probable is not a big deal, they used what they had. It is a very nice example. I am no expert but I guess $2500 - $3000. The bayonet alone is around $250.
1778 SSM = not flat but a round lockplate, 37" barrel, .75 to .77 calibre, lockplate measures 6&3/4" x 1&3/16", throw of the #### is 1&7/8", no trigger plate or nose cap, has a ramrod holder spring and a small nut inletted in front of the trigger for the tang screw.
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1778 SSM = not flat but a round lockplate, 37" barrel, .75 to .77 calibre, lockplate measures 6&3/4" x 1&3/16", throw of the #### is 1&7/8", no trigger plate or nose cap, has a ramrod holder spring and a small nut inletted in front of the trigger for the tang screw.
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- pallisers triangle
its the #### thats got me wondering, i cant find a pic of one like that.all the rest of it fits where it should.
where did you find your info STEPPENWOLF? i can only find one pic of one thats close to that, and its in the canadian imperial war museum.
http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/seaoriginal2.jpg
where did you find your info STEPPENWOLF? i can only find one pic of one thats close to that, and its in the canadian imperial war museum.
http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/seaoriginal2.jpg
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- West coast of Vancouver Island
The Rifle Shoppe, this musket's ring neck #### came into use ca.1809, common on the Third Model or India Pattern Brown Bess. Check out Denner's
http://www.denner.ca/weapons/longguns/index.html
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http://www.denner.ca/weapons/longguns/index.html
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The flint needs to be knapped for sure, also yo need a leather or lead liner for it. The orientation is subjective from musket to musket. There is no true "up or down", the the way you have it was the most common orientation for British muskets.
I could be wrong, but the index line one your breech plug and barrel don't line up and there seems to be a seam just ahead of the flash hole. I wonder if your musket was not a restoration of a converted percussion musket?
I could be wrong, but the index line one your breech plug and barrel don't line up and there seems to be a seam just ahead of the flash hole. I wonder if your musket was not a restoration of a converted percussion musket?
Are you thinking that the rear 1" or so of the barrel has been replaced? If so, that inspector's mark is rather clever. Removing the lock is one way to check for a reconversion. It is extremely difficult to restore a Bess lock that has been converted to percussion, so that it is undetectable inside and out.
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- West coast of Vancouver Island
Beater, In the photo of the comb and top of the butt plate what is the line about 1/" from the end closest to the breech? X in photo.
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- pallisers triangle
There is a better pic of the buttplate top.
i can just about 99.9% say that this isnt a rebuild from a percussian as its been in the family forever. it was stored in a closet full of junk, and got terrible horrible treatment before i got it at the age of 14. Im now 44. I allways thought i knew what it was, simply a brown bess. not haveing to much interest in this erra, that was all i needed to know. Now, haveing a ressurection, shall we say, in BP,i decided to do a lil more research.
so the story goes that my great great....however many greats back, came to the new world as a soldier, and when he saw this place he liked it so much he went AWOL.
anyways, so the story goes, its been to the oldest son ever since.
thats where i come in i guess.
so as far as having the flint in wrong, and needing a leather or lead,well, thats all known. this is just how its been in the closet for the last 32 years that i can acount for.
thanks for the info and help to all, and im still lookin, figurein
i am willing to take the lock out, and the bbl out of the stock for further investigation.
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and stole one of his Magesties Arms
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- West coast of Vancouver Island
It is a beauty, I am glad it has stayed with your family and not sold off. It is not a bad idea to remove the lock. You will have a chance to see if there is wood rot of rust. I would not remove the barrel, the pins can catch and slinter or split the stock as they are driven out. Thanks for posting the photos, it isn't often one gets to see such a nice musket. I would love to , dare I say it, fondle your musket.
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- pallisers triangle
i will pull the lock, and take a couple pics
fondel my musket???....my goodness !
actually looks quit good inside from what i was expecting, no spiders, anyways.
sorry, Tony B cant have it back....
fondel my musket???....my goodness !
actually looks quit good inside from what i was expecting, no spiders, anyways.
sorry, Tony B cant have it back....
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