Browning BPS Reloading Issue

3macs1

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Have a friend with his first new 12ga BPS which I have not seen yet so I am having a hard time over the phone trying to help him with his problem so figured you guys may have seen this and be able to help me here
I have had BPS for years and never an issue like this
Basically sounds like he loads it fine and it cycles all three shells fine both fired and unfired
However if he just fires one shot it ejects the empty and reloads the second from the mag no problem however it will not allow him to add another replacement shell into the mag but if he cycles the other two out ( one in chamber/ one in mag tube) it will take all three again no problem
Also not doing it every time but two out of five times being reloaded after firing just one shell. Gun was sitting like 15 years so I am thinking it may be gunked up and need a cleaning and some new lube. It has only maybe 25/35 rounds through it also since new
Thanks in advance for the help
Cheers
 
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Would have to agree remove the friction ring , mag spring and follower . give the tube and all associated parts a good cleaning . there is no relationship between the action and the mag tube that would keep the follower and spring from being compressed into the mag tube .does this BPS happen to have the mag cut off ? this would be the only other thing I can think of that might hinder loading the mag tube if it were engaged or partly engaged .
 
That sounds like a weird problem.

I'd almost suspect that he has a BPS Trap Model, but it would block any shells in the tube from feeding (if it were set to single) and he would have to load the shells singly.

Here's some more info on what I'm talking about:

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=011B&cid=012&tid=242 (The second picture shows the magazine cut-off switch)

http://www.gun-tests.com/gow/long_g...404-3-Inch-12-Gauge_13716-1.html#.VjLP024qeIA

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=347023
 
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Thanks guys for the feedback. I told him to clean the mag tube but he is scared to take it apart so I am going to try to get to his place the weekend and do it for him.
It is a 3 1/2 camo and doesn't have the cut off switch so I would say just some dryness or old factory lube from sitting so long
Not sure if the follower is plastic in this year or not. I had a plastic one in a gold that cracked and was doing this but all the time plus it was screwing up feeding which this one isn't
Thanks again
Cheers
 
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Just a update. Wife laughed this morning when I was going out the door with my huge tackle box with all my gun cleaning stuff and tools in it
She said look at that Dr.GUN making a house call. Smart ass these ladies

Any how cleaned the entire gun which was not that dirty but for some strange reason the original owner didnot remove the mag spring retainer when he installed the plug and it was down the tube probally 2 1/2 inches and floating along with the plug also all over the place. I think that was the problem
Put her back together the way browning intended and only tried it 5 times but it worked sweet
Man I forgot how smooth these cycle . Nice guns they are
Thanks again guys for the help
Cheers
 
3macs1 I bought 2 bps guns this summer a 12 and a 20 . both out of the box had the limiting plug sitting on top of the mag spring retainer . I removed the retainer and placed the plug under the retainer so the plug can not be removed by simply removing the mag cap .
 
rembolt said:
3macs1 I bought 2 bps guns this summer a 12 and a 20 . both out of the box had the limiting plug sitting on top of the mag spring retainer . I removed the retainer and placed the plug under the retainer so the plug can not be removed by simply removing the mag cap .
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It was a new one on me.I still have a few bps a 410,28,16,12 and sold off the 20 and 10 from the set and none of those were like that
Just curious did yours come from the usual shop in new brunswick since this is where this one was originally bought new
The owner called last night after a duck hunt and it is now working just fine and he is happy so all is good. He cannot believe the difference between the old mossy 835 he had and the bps. Like he said now I know I have been using trash for years. His words not mine mossy fans :)
Cheers
 
3macs1 said:
It was a new one on me.I still have a few bps a 410,28,16,12 and sold off the 20 and 10 from the set and none of those were like that
Just curious did yours come from the usual shop in new brunswick since this is where this one was originally bought new
The owner called last night after a duck hunt and it is now working just fine and he is happy so all is good. He cannot believe the difference between the old mossy 835 he had and the bps. Like he said now I know I have been using trash for years. His words not mine mossy fans :)
Cheers
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No one came from out west and the other local here in NS . they are both smooth but the 12 seems to be a bit smoother right now which stands to reason as it has more rounds through it 300 compared to 100 through the 20 .
 
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rembolt said:
3macs1 I bought 2 bps guns this summer a 12 and a 20 . both out of the box had the limiting plug sitting on top of the mag spring retainer . I removed the retainer and placed the plug under the retainer so the plug can not be removed by simply removing the mag cap .
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Some may ask why I would bother to do is. this is from the migratory bird regulations ;
(d) with a shotgun of any description capable of holding more than three shells unless the capacity of the gun has been reduced to three shells in the magazine and chamber combined, by means of the cutting off or the altering or plugging of the magazine with a one-piece metal, plastic or wood filler that cannot be removed unless the gun is disassembled;
 
rembolt said:
Some may ask why I would bother to do is. this is from the migratory bird regulations ;
(d) with a shotgun of any description capable of holding more than three shells unless the capacity of the gun has been reduced to three shells in the magazine and chamber combined, by means of the cutting off or the altering or plugging of the magazine with a one-piece metal, plastic or wood filler that cannot be removed unless the gun is disassembled;
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That seems like overkill to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but removing the magazine cap (to slide out the magazine plug) would be considered disassembling the shotgun in my opinion.

If you're uncertain, I'm sure that your CFO could clarify the requirements.
 
MapleSugar said:
That seems like overkill to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but removing the magazine cap (to slide out the magazine plug) would be considered disassembling the shotgun in my opinion.

If you're uncertain, I'm sure that your CFO could clarify the requirements.
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May seem like over kill but you can be charged if the mag cap comes off and the tube falls out
I have been checked for this at least three times in the past 20 years twice by Game Officers and once by the rcmp dressed as hunters and hunting. Twice in PEI and once in Nova Scotia It is not really something under the CFO IMO

Think of it this way as told to me. You are sitting in a goose blind and can see for a mile around you so one drops the plug and fills the mag over the 3 rounds allowed. Have a ton of time to see anyone coming , remove the extra rounds and reinstall the plug. Makes perfect sense to me and that is how the DNR explained it to me when I asked
Cheers
 
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rembolt said:
Some may ask why I would bother to do is. this is from the migratory bird regulations ;
(d) with a shotgun of any description capable of holding more than three shells unless the capacity of the gun has been reduced to three shells in the magazine and chamber combined, by means of the cutting off or the altering or plugging of the magazine with a one-piece metal, plastic or wood filler that cannot be removed unless the gun is disassembled;
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Also the gun doesn't always function correctly with it on the outside. The top of the plug fits nicely in the retainer and doesn't slop around side to side vs when just seated in the mag tube. Plus I think this had something to do with the retainer dropping so far down the tube in the gun I just had apart probally from recoil or what ever which was screwing up the available room for shells due to it's movement
No reason to have it on the outside unless you are trying to use more than what is allowed by law for migratory bird hunting
Simple as that. Sure was not Brownings' intention since they clearly tell you how to install it in the owners manual which includes how to remove the retainer and to put it under the retainer
Cheers
 
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MapleSugar said:
That seems like overkill to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but removing the magazine cap (to slide out the magazine plug) would be considered disassembling the shotgun in my opinion.
If you're uncertain, I'm sure that your CFO could clarify the requirements.
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This is the exact reason I removed the retainer and placed the plug under it . As a CO could say in his opinion that just removing the mag cap is not disassembly of the gun . I would rather not have an enjoyable day hunting ruined by a COs opinion if I happened to get checked while hunting .
 
Every pump I ever bought came with the plug installed, to date I've seen absolutely no reason to remove it. If I can't connect with a bird with 2 shots, I'm probably going to miss on the third, 4 or more isn't likely to be any help anyway.
 
Maritime Storm said:
Every pump I ever bought came with the plug installed, to date I've seen absolutely no reason to remove it. If I can't connect with a bird with 2 shots, I'm probably going to miss on the third, 4 or more isn't likely to be any help anyway.
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Most of mine have all been the opposite but it probally depends on where we buy and what type of guns. I agree hunting down east three is all we will ever need for any types of game. Other parts of canada I think they have special spring goose seasons where guys take them out legally and maybe some spots for deer hunting
Cheers
 
I picked up am Ithaca 37 this week, built in 1975, I found the factory plug in the mag tube when I disassembled it. My Nova came with it installed, underneath of a spring clip retainer. My long departed Wingmaster came to me with a mag weight/2 shot plug in it.
 
rembolt said:
3macs1 I bought 2 bps guns this summer a 12 and a 20 . both out of the box had the limiting plug sitting on top of the mag spring retainer . I removed the retainer and placed the plug under the retainer so the plug can not be removed by simply removing the mag cap .
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I have done just the opposite with my upland game guns, we are allowed over 3 shots for upland.
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